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"If God exists."

Thus, you approach this matter from a world view instead of a spiritual view. I believe God exists; and thus, I believe God works all things for good, according to His plan. That includes the death of our children; yes, even abortion, although that's not what He wants; and yes, a "miserable life." For example, God allowed the devil to persecute Job; subsequently, the devil caused all of Job's children to perish. Job's reaction was to praise God. And when it was shown that the devil was wrong, and Job would not curse God because of his troubles, God blessed Job ten-fold.

In other words, your world-view approach does not allow for God's grace and power to work in all situations. You are focused on the misery instead of the promise of glory. And thus, I don't believe there's anything more we can discuss on this issue.

 

I was educated as a Christian. However, I have never been able to find a God to believe in. I don't share the same moral values with the biblical value, not if you take all the teachings as they are. If we adopt the to the today's reality, I can find some common points of view.

I can not believe and love a God that plans to give his children diseases like Progeria, bone cancer and so on. If every birth is a miracle, then why would this miracle be accompanied by misery?

But you continue to talk about God's plan. If there is a plan, where is the free will? If we all live in a giant plan, then why isn't an abortion considered as an act directed by God himself? It's a terrible sacrifice that women choose to do. Imagine how many deaths are in the Bible, deaths that are directed by God himself. Why can't an abortion be considered the same?

Of course I do not believe in a promise of glory. I simply can not believe in a God who let's his children die sometimes minutes after their birth. There is no point in giving the miracle of life and taking it back immediately. Assuming that this is all part of a plan, why would he do this? Because I can't simply believe that a child that dies of a terrible disease is an act of love.

This is why I can not believe in the God that's presented in the Bible, one of the reasons at least. I do believe, however, in love, in making good deeds.

 

PS: One of the reasons I joined this forum was because I wanted to understand better why people believe in God. Just because I simply can not believe in the biblical God, it doesn't mean that I am a bad person. This is why I would hate to see ad hominem arguments on this thread. If you want, I can stop posting.

 

I personally would not have an abortion because I believe it is a form of murder, but I don't judge or look down on women who choose to have abortions. I've always felt it would be better to use some sort of birth control to prevent pregnancy instead of using abortion as a form of birth control. We all sin and I leave it up to the Lord to punish, it's not my place.

 

Here's the problem: you picked and chose which parts of my post you wanted to address.

For example, you completely ignored my reference to the story of Job, which contradicts everything you base your premise on; that premise being, that God is the author of evil, and thus, we have no free will.

The story of Job tells us that God allowed Satan to work evil against Job; God did not cause the evil that befell Job. Satan's purpose was to show God that even the most righteous man will turn and curse his Maker when faced with overwhelming tribulations and grief.

Instead, Job praised God. God did not cause Job to praise Him; Job did so of his own free will.

Job was victorious over Satan, exercising his free will and choosing to continue worshipping and glorifying God, when he had every reason NOT to do so.

The alternative is to allow Satan the victory, and blame God for the woes of this world.

 

Who would that be? Tapatalk doesn't show names with lines through them.

 

Good move.


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Very well stated.

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