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I agree.

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Yeah...my spidey sense was going off lol

 

I sent him a PM asking if he was Preacher4truth this afternoon.

No response. *laugh*

 

Yeah, he hasn't asked anyone to explain what he said, so he knows you understand. Hahaha

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I don't misunderstand the the FGT position at all. The have no statement of faith. What you posted was your opinion. You have no link. You have no statement of faith. If you did you would provide the URL to such a document but you can't. Why try to deceive people? IMO, You are acting like a troll.

BTW, unless the abbreviation is well known (like BTW), spell things out. Not all of us know internet jargon. It took the entire thread to figure out what DTS referred to. I don't know what SOF means. Perhaps I don't have one and you do, especially it means something like "sophomoric opinion,": but then I wouldn't know. I don't know what you are referring to. You say anyone can have one.

You have made so many accusations in the OP it is difficult to address them all at one time. Take one at a time.
Is a person a disciple at the moment he is saved? Does the Bible teach that?
Is it possible for a believer to apostatize? Is that a Biblical position? Are these FGT positions?
Does the FGT actually lead to antinomianism? Do you actually know the correct theological meaning of that term?

Take a couple of those accusations and address them. Show where the FGT teaches these--if indeed you can. Be sure you document you material, and not just give opinion.

 

Scorn that is without the support of Scripture is offensive, and not a mark of Spiritual maturity.

It matters so little how knowledgeable a person is, if they have not love for the brethren, coupled with the desire the edification of believers, all they say is as a irritating noise

The display of scorn and deceit in this thread lacks all sincere effort to enhance the understanding and wisdom of members of the BB.

This thread does not edify, nor is the author of the OP (imo) seeking the betterment of other believers.

He has not supported his statements with Scriptures, and has made scorn the temper of his posts.

Let me be the first to call for the thread to be closed.

No more time and space should be given to this sadness.

 

Then back to the Doghouse, eh Internet Theologian?

 

I already addressed the OP line by line or at least passage by passage.
I did it here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/free-grace-theology-mocking-god.96836/page-5

You just didn't like my answer. Why should I do it a second time. Do you think you would like my second answer any better than my first?
The problem here is you fail to respond to the answers I give you. Go back and give an honest answer to my post, which you haven't done yet.

You have provided nothing but your opinion. I provided you quotes with links or URL's. You haven't done that. Give me one good reason why I should believe your hearsay.

Oh, I am not far behind. I have written my own statement of faith. Phil Johnson does nothing to help you. We haven't really discussed him. We can't discuss anything unless you put something on the table to discuss with some documentation including scripture.

 

You gave no Scripture to show the teaching as false.
The BB just doesn't take one's word for it. Show us the Scriptures.

So show the verse and express from that context that the statement of Hodges is wrong. We of the BB are in this part of the forum because we desire to build Scripture upon Scripture. Precept upon Precept.

IF you had done so, you probably would have met with far more agreement than push back.

If you claim a theological system is wrong, then it must be shown wrong by Scripture, not merely human contrivance.

John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

Is this not the truth? Are you saying that Christ added head knowledge at some point as a requirement?

Is your argument that someone must acquire some skill, or some creed understanding?

Show me in Scripture that other than Belief one is redeemed.

Show me in Scripture that such Belief does not come by the direct and purposed work of God without regard to station, wealth, talent, intellect and cunning.

Give Scriptures to support your thinking. Man's opinions don't make much difference on the BB.

 

No you haven't addressed. I will demonstrate that for you.

Let's stop here. I challenged you on this one point alone.
You came back with zip, nada, nothing.

I will ask you again?
Where in the Bible does it teach that a new believer is a disciple?
Can you give scripture or demonstrate that through scripture. Stop calling it false doctrine if you can't do this. The erroneous doctrine is all yours. You simply shy away from debate. You are good at laying down the accusations, but not very good at backing them up.

I am of the "believe the Bible camp," and take no man's word for it.

That is nonsense.

 

I simply say that these are your assertions. Back them up with scripture!

Here is an example:
Act 13:13 Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.

Why did John depart?
This is only verse 13. The first four verses of the chapter describe the church commissioning Paul and Barnabas on this, their very first missionary journey. Now, not very far into it, John quits and goes home. Why?
Perhaps he was a believer but not yet a disciple.

For Jesus taught:
Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
--He didn't pass the test of discipleship. According to your theology he wasn't saved.
According to Jesus he wasn't a disciple.
Who do you think I should believe?
I believe the words of Christ over the opinions of man.

 

I am not certain what you are asking, DHK.

Are you attempting to say that there is no contrast (dichotomy) between the make up of a believer and the make up of a disciple?

Perhaps you are asserting that the two stand separate and unconnected?

Or, that the above two questions are to be taken as there a contrast, and the two cannot be separated?

The word "false" suggests that you hold that there is no dividing that can be discerned between believer and disciple - is that the correct assumption?

 

Excellent example of question begging. Nicely played!

 

I wish more was done on this topic.

When documenting why one doesn't accept the teaching of another, isn't it helpful to attend to the Scriptures and display what violation is taking place by the teaching?

For example: Are the words put together (Free, Grace, and Theology) actually wrong?

Is not the Grace of God given to humankind without regard to that human's ability, wealth, status, ...?

So, if the view of "Free Grace Theology" wrong, then it must be discovered not by just posting statement of those who may or may not be associated with the view, but also the intention and application of the Scriptures that show that the view is un-Scriptural. Perchance is the title of the view, not really supporting the internal evidence of the view?

Perhaps there should be another thread started on the topic and a complete disclosure attempted in which the Scriptures are ascendant, appropriately applied, and various nuances of the topic be made available for the edification of all.

I really do consider that the topic should and needs to be discussed.

I would encourage, Internet Theologian to start again, make appropriate adjustments to his approach, and see where the thread leads.

Is in fact FGT Scripturally unsound?