'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved'

[InTheLight]

this does not say what you want it to say.

Oh really? That excerpt doesn't say that repenting of your sins is necessary for salvation? It's right there in black and white!

But, then again in the Calvinist world you live in:

the world means the Elect
whosoever means the Elect
all means the Elect

so I suppose you can rationalize and redefine what that excerpt says so it fits whatever you want it to say.

 

[Iconoclast]

Oh really? That excerpt doesn't say that repenting of your sins is necessary for salvation? It's right there in black and white!

But, then again in the Calvinist world you live in:

the world means the Elect
whosoever means the Elect
all means the Elect

so I suppose you can rationalize and redefine what that excerpt says so it fits whatever you want it to say.

It just shows you do not read with comprehension , thats all

 

[DHK]

That isn't answering my question, that's fobbing me off.
So here's two questions for you. A yes or no answer will suffice for the first. For the second you may pick one of four options.

1. Do you believe that God commands all men everywhere to repent? Yes or no.
If you answer yes,

Yes.

2. How many sins should all men everywhere repent of?

See answer here. Your question, as it is, is fallacious.
See my answer to your question here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...d-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-9#post-2194309

 

[Iconoclast]

Oh really? That excerpt doesn't say that repenting of your sins is necessary for salvation? It's right there in black and white!



so I suppose you can rationalize and redefine what that excerpt says so it fits whatever you want it to say.

You also said this;

But you will not find "repent of your sins and you will be saved" in the Bible. That is a works based salvation. That is something man does to find favor with God.

Show where any cal anywhere says this? You cannot , so you demonstrate your ignorance by making such a statement. You want to be critical of Calvinism and you cannot get to first base in understanding what it is.

 

[JonShaff]

You also said this;


Show where any cal anywhere says this? You cannot , so you demonstrate your ignorance by making such a statement. You want to be critical of Calvinism and you cannot get to first base in understanding what it is.

I'm pretty sure only calvinists know what Calvinism is LOL!!!!!

 

[Iconoclast]

I'm pretty sure only calvinists know what Calvinism is LOL!!!!!

Well it looks that way doesn't it? Either caricatures or clown type posts.

 

[DHK]

Show where anyone said such a thing. You are questioning the salvation of all cals

Show me where I questioned your salvation. You are proud to wear the label of Calvinist.
A Calvinist is just what the name means: "follower of Calvin." If you don't like it do something about it.

 

[Iconoclast]

Show me where I questioned your salvation. You are proud to wear the label of Calvinist.
A Calvinist is just what the name means: "follower of Calvin." If you don't like it do something about it.

I do....I just display your posts and it takes care of itself. Everyone is on to your methods now. Your posts just highlight your M.O.

 

[DHK]

You're so close but so far away. You're arguing for man, attempting to make repentance and salvation possible with man, while at the same time saying repentance, in its true definition is impossible. Yep. Sure is. Each and every aspect of salvation is impossible with man.

And yet it is God that commands man to repent.
God does not repent for man; he commands man to repent. You are a very confused person.
Your theology makes God out to be schizophrenic.
IT's theology is like this:
God commands man: "Repent!" Then God says: "No, wait! I have changed my mind. I will repent on your behalf."
Is your God so double-minded he cannot make up his own mind.
The Bible commands all men everywhere to repent. God never promises that He will do it for them.
It has nothing to with man-centered or God-centered theologies. It has to do with believing what the Bible says.

The fact remains it is not possible with man, and man should be perplexed just as the disciples were 'Who then can be saved'? You only got three accurate words in your post above. I made those words bold, italicized, underlined.

Salvation was possible for the rich man. That is what Christ taught. You simply took my words out of context. Let's look at the verse again:
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
--With God all things are possible. Rich men can enter heaven. That is what I said. But you put your words in my mouth saying what I didn't say. That is misrepresentation on your part, commonly called lying. Jesus did not say it was impossible for a rich man to enter into heaven, did he? Only if you take that phrase out of context did he say that, and that is exactly what you did.

 

[InTheLight]

It just shows you do not read with comprehension , thats all

This is hilarious! Yesterday I asked you where in the Bible does it say that repenting of your sins was necessary for salvation. You posted portions of the London Confession, writings from other authors and (by your count) 148 verses trying to prove it. Today you say you don't believe that repenting of sin is necessary.

What, did you repent of that belief overnight?

And then you lecture me about reading comprehension!

Ha ha ha ha!

 

[Iconoclast]

This is hilarious! Yesterday I asked you where in the Bible does it say that repenting of your sins was necessary for salvation. You posted portions of the London Confession, writings from other authors and (by your count) 148 verses trying to prove it. Today you say you don't believe that repenting of sin is necessary.

And then you lecture me about reading comprehension!

Ha ha ha ha!

Where did I say that...post it !I said you cannot read with comprehension.If you could you would understand the posts , but it is clear you cannot.

There is a difference between saying a person needs to repent of all sin....
and saying a Cals teach a works based salvation.

You feel the need to twist what i say as your hero does, but it is not going to work.

 

[Internet Theologian]

And yet it is God that commands man to repent.
God does not repent for man; he commands man to repent. You are a very confused person.
Your theology makes God out to be schizophrenic.
IT's theology is like this:
God commands man: "Repent!" Then God says: "No, wait! I have changed my mind. I will repent on your behalf."
Is your God so double-minded he cannot make up his own mind.
The Bible commands all men everywhere to repent. God never promises that He will do it for them.
It has nothing to with man-centered or God-centered theologies. It has to do with believing what the Bible says.

Salvation was possible for the rich man. That is what Christ taught. You simply took my words out of context. Let's look at the verse again:
Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
--With God all things are possible. Rich men can enter heaven. That is what I said. But you put your words in my mouth saying what I didn't say. That is misrepresentation on your part, commonly called lying. Jesus did not say it was impossible for a rich man to enter into heaven, did he? Only if you take that phrase out of context did he say that, and that is exactly what you did.

I'll just skip by dhk's slander, callow behavior and twisting of his words, my words and The Word and get right to the matter at hand;

Here is what we have, it is dhk versus the Christ of God. The former says salvation is possible with man. The Christ of God says it is impossible. Dhk says, concerning salvation being possible with man, 'It is possible but difficult' showing that he believes, and preaches, man can do it, making it achieved by works.

The Christ on the other hand says it's impossible, Matthew 19:26.

 

[JonShaff]

It is impossible....man - made legalistic efforts cannot save anyone. Only by the finished Work of Jesus Christ Can man be saved...

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Belief/faith/trust is NOT a work. It is how God chose us to respond to His Gospel Call.

 

[Iconoclast]

here is some vintage DHK highlights as he debated Amy G and Bob B
https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/sorrow-to-repentance.38978/page-5

Look how Amy G took you to school

Amy, your the one ignoring Scripture.
An unsaved person cannot have Godly sorrow. The 2Cor.7 passage was written to believers about sin that they had committed after they were saved. The Bible says nothing about being sorry for your sins in order to be saved. Repentance (with respect to salvation) does not involve being sorry for your sins. One does not repent of their sins in order to be saved.

DHK
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#10 DHK, Aug 24, 2007

Again where does the Bible say that one has to be sorry for their sins in order to be saved? It doesn't.

DHK
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#16 DHK, Aug 24, 2007

DHK said:

Stop taking Scripture out of context.
No where in the Bible does it say that sorrow leads to eternal salvation.
No where in the Bible does it say that sorrow saves, which is what you are implying.
The sorrow in 2Cor.7 is Godly sorrow which is impossible for an ungodly person to have. Why do you continue to take Scripture out of context?

AMY G;
I guess we just have a different interpretation of it.


2Cr 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to {the will} {of} God produces a repentance without regret, {leading} to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

When Paul compares it to worldly sorrow which produces death, I assume the Godly sorrow/repentace he is speaking of is referring to eternal life.
It seems plain to me. Maybe I'm just doing a poor job of explaining myself.

dhk;

And no where in the Bible do we find that sorrow is necessary for salvation.

Brother Bob said:
Oh, but it is scripture, even John Wesley agrees with me. You know the more I am on here the more I see how much I am like John Wesley in belief. He believed in a Christian being a "good" person also.

2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
__________________
Let him agree. But he is wrong.
How can an ungodly person have Godly sorrow? Please explain.
The passage was written to believers not unbelievers.

DHK

Same Mo at work...look what he says here when he cannot answer

Brother Bob said:
It says "to Salvation".

Oh, but it is scripture, even John Wesley agrees with me.

So what if Wesley agrees with you; the Bible doesn't. And that is what counts.
Because salvation is mentioned in that one verse, doesn't mean that it refers to spiritual salvation or eternal salvation; it doesn't. I already explained to you what it means. You apparently don't read my posts.
You know the more I am on here the more I see how much I am like John Wesley in belief. He believed in a Christian being a "good" person also.

Psa 38:18For I will declare mine iniquity; I will be sorry for my sin.

2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
The more you post on here the more you act like a member of a cult (and no you are not one). But your style of hermenutics is like one. You are applying Scripture that is directed solely to Christians to the unsaved!! Why are you doing that? Why are you taking Scripture out of its context.
If a person never feels any "remorse" over what he is doing while sinning, he will never repent or turn from such. Why should he, he is not condemned in doing these things.
I say if a person never becomes sorry over committing sins, he will die in that condition and go to hell.
That is borderline heresy.
Emotions have nothing to do with salvation.

 

[DHK]

here is some vintage DHK highlights as he debated Amy G and Bob B

You certainly don't like the truth do you?
The truth is very simple. It was just recently posted:
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes unto the Father but by me."
Do you believe that? It is doubtful. You don't post like you do. Understand that the simple statement made by Christ is salvation by faith (sola fide).

Your definition of repentance requires you to believe in a message of salvation by works which is no better than Hinduism, Catholicism, or any other world religion. It denies the grace of God in salvation. You have said that: "salvation requires that one repents from all their sin." That is a works-based salvation.

What you have brought from past posts, (which you apparently agree with), is that salvation is emotional. Without your emotions one cannot be saved. After all, that is what sorrow is, an emotion. Like a little child: "I am sorry; I am sorry; I am sorry," cry, cry, cry. Very emotional. So you are sorry for your sins? That doesn't guarantee you salvation. Nowhere does the Bible teach that sorrow is a requirement for salvation. That was the debate, and you are now saying that it is. Honestly Icon! How many works do you have before one must be saved.
Let me remind you that salvation is by faith and faith alone.

But Icon says that salvation is by faith PLUS sorrow, plus repentance of all one's sins, plus waiting for God to give you the gift of repentance, and the gift of faith, plus, plus, plus, ...WORKS
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

 

[Rippon]

But Icon says that salvation is by faith PLUS sorrow, plus repentance of all one's sins, plus waiting for God to give you the gift of repentance, and the gift of faith, plus, plus, plus, ...WORKS

"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death." (1 Cor. 7:10)

God grants faith and repentance to those of His choosing.

Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

For more than a decade you have insisted that it is your faith that has saved you.
You have maintained that God had nothing to do with it. You claim that He may have been aware --
but He certainly didn't cause you to be regenerated --it was all of you. But DHK, salvation is by the faith God gives --not your foul offering. "He chose to give us birth" (James 1:18) --spiritual rebirth.

"It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy." (Ro. 9:16)

"children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God." (John 1:13)

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Biblical faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin.

In Britain, the familiar round £1 coin is shortly to be changed. The reason is that there are millions of forgeries in circulation. The one side, with a picture of the Queen, is almost indistinguishable from the real thing, but the reverse side is nothing like it. The ordinary man in the street can easily be deceived by these coins, but if you take them to a bank they will be refused and be shown to be worthless.

So it is with your coin of salvation. One side, the side of faith, is reasonably accurate, but the other side, the side of repentance, is nothing like the real thing. My fear is that millions of people have this fake coin and when they come to present it before the throne of grace, they will find that it is worthless before God.

Repentance is a change of mind with respect to one's attitude to God.
Repentance says: Once I was in rebellion to God. Then my attitude toward God was changed.
Now I am submissive to the will of God. That is repentance.

Submission to the will of God entails sincere repentance of all known sin and a sincere desire to be a holy man or woman (Matt. 5:48).

Both faith in Christ and repentance happen at the same time. Thus repentance need not to be mentioned in NT soteriology. It is inherent in "believing in Christ," or in "faith."

Why then is repentance mentioned so many times in the NT? Why are 'all men everywhere' commanded specifically to repent?

 

[JonShaff]

What do people repent of?


Repent of unbelief/lack of faith/trust in Christ/messiah/finished work of Christ

Turn from self as god and turn to the One True Living God.

John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on me;

 

[Iconoclast]

What do people repent of?


Repent of unbelief/lack of faith/trust in Christ/messiah/finished work of Christ

Turn from self as god and turn to the One True Living God.

John 16:8-9 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on me;

The statement as posted is wrong.
God saves people ....from their sins....not in their sins-
mt1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Saved people turn from sins unto God....that is repentance.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Each of you who has shown dhk his errors, which are many, on HIS doctrine of repentance and are accurate in your assessment.

But that is only the tip of the iceberg and you are missing a bigger issue.

DHK has said that salvation is possible with men. He said; 'It is possible, but it is difficult' concerning a mans ability. That is works salvation. Saying 'but it is difficult' is placing man as the captain of his own salvation, shows that he must use effort, for, 'it is possible'. But few of you are calling him on this huge error and need to take a look at what he is saying here.

Christ on the other hand has said that with man it is impossible; 'When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Clearly dhk is teaching salvation by works, by effort of man.