Featured 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved'

No, that's not it Jon. Many believe in the work of Christ, assent to the facts but having never been granted repentance, which is being saved from their sin, Matthew 1:21, Revelation 1:5. They remain unconverted. They are still in their sins because even though they make alleged mental assent to facts they have not been granted faith nor repentance. A few within the Gospel accounts believed in Him but were still lost, in fact they believed some of what the Scriptures said of Him, even what Christ said of Himself, note John 8:30ff.

You ask what people repent of, if we are talking the converted they repent of their wickedness, their sin: 1 Thess. 1; Acts 2; 1 Cor. 6:9ff; Galatians 5:19ff; Revelation 7:14ff.

No one can have a true God directed and God granted faith and repentance 'change of mind about God' and go on living in sinfulness. To do so shows they had no true change of mind about God. And he said to man, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’” Job 28:28.

No person can have an encounter with the Christ of God, remain in their sin and have some mere change in their mind about Him. That theology has been popularized of late and it is shallow and inaccurate and its view on the transforming Gospel is paltry at its best. It is a dumbed down and truncated version of the true. You should lay more depth of power and understanding of the transformation than that!

 

DHK,

It is because i have a love of the truth that I oppose your false ideas, theories, and carnal speculations.

I did enjoy seeing AmyG and this other person Bob dismantle your false ideas step by step.

It looks like it is for everyone else.

Yes I do believe that is was the Lord Jesus Christ who was sent by the Father to save all Those elected Sheep given to Him In The Covenant of Redemption and Grace

Of course....I believe it in the same way the historic church has always believed it;
It is you who oppose it...why can you not see that.

Not to anyone who understands these matters. It seems doubtful to you because your theology has fragmented the word of God, wrongly dividing what God keeps together.
Do not take your frustration out on me and other cals who see what you cannot.

Sure I do, but thank you so much for your sincere concernUnsure

QUOTE]Understand that the simple statement made by Christ is salvation by faith (sola fide). [/QUOTE]
Yes it is...it is by saving faith which comes from God, not mere human trust as you suggest.

Not at all....your monster strawman requires such nonsense, my definition does not howeverThumbsup

VINTAGE DHK strawman coming, reader beware

here you go again, just like you tried to do to AMYG and Bob B in the link from 2007...same exact wording, same unteachable attitude...the readers can see itSick

No link that I posted says that...your twisting of words does. The links are very clear.
God does not like sin as much as your theology does.
God saves His people ...FROM THEIR SINS....It is part of the salvation we are granted, or graced by God.
There is a mourning and sorrow over any known sin , and all sin is to be mortified by real believers.

AMY G tore you up on that.....God saves the whole person, mind, will emotions,
real Christians do not rejoice and enjoy sin as your so called "carnal Christians" do who thrive on enjoying living in sin.

I myself am not overly emotional, but we are emotional persons. I do have sorrow of my sinful failings and proceed each day to take steps to mortify any and all sin.

No one made any such claim, another strawman by the DHK strawman express.

This is strawman number 3Cautious...you never run out of them do you? who said it was a "requirement"?

If you could be "honest" this stuff would not be going on.

Strawman 4....good works are ordained for the saved.

Thanks...but I believe that Salvation is by faith, IN Christ alone...we are not saved by faith in faith.

lying strawman #5...where did I say "plus"

CautiousCautiousCautiousCautious

 

John 3:17-18 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I agree...saved people turn from sin and turn to God...that is part of it.

 

John 3:17-18 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The lepers had an encounter with Christ and only 1 "came to Him."

You've added a lot of things I never said nor did I imply.

 

Yes, I am aware of the passages you supplied. Scripture qualifies belief. It doesn't validate easy-believeism and there is more to Scripture than quoting a passage to guarantee persons salvation on mere belief from the book of John.

In John 8:30, they believed, were they converted? Are all that say they believe converted?

 

If and when a person believes AND they agree with God as to their position before Him, guilty sinful sinner who has sinned against God and God alone (think Psalm 51), God will reveal the necessity of Calling on the Lord Jesus to save them from their sin. Repentance is a fruit of saving faith.

The question is...they believe in Jesus FOR WHAT?

The only one who can give them peace with God and save them from their sin?

Or just an accessory in life to make things a little easier to cope with?

Or a good luck charm to help them when their Confidence fails them?

And just quoting John 8:30 to defend your thought Is a bit misleading. You have to take several verses before that verse to keep the conversation together. Out of those disobedient jews...Some did truly believe on Jesus Christ as the Son of God for salvation...Jesus then turns his focus to the unbelieving Jews again..
How do we know? Because they are relying on the flesh...literally...they said because they are of Abraham's seed after the flesh they've been set free and then Jesus rebukes them sharply and calls them the sons of satan and says this..

John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

so we see...out of those who Jesus was talking to, some did believe and others didn't.

Edited to add...

 

OK, now were they saved in John 8:30?

 

See my edit

 

And to reconcile how they believed and then didn't believe (if those were the same Jews), if they WERE NOT saved they obviously didn't continue in His word...the parable of the sower comes to mind. They had the soil of the first or second group.

 

YOU posted it in post #88. I excerpted it a couple of posts upstream. Here is the link and the quote (again)

We have no right to consider our selves in the way to eternal life, if we are strangers to repentance. Nor will it suffice to have been at some time alarmed about our sin. A false repentance, which needs to be repented of, satisfies many a deluded soul. Genuine repentance is a deep-felt and abiding sense of sin, a condemnation of ourselves before God on account of it, a turning away from it with abhorrence and loathing, and a fixed purpose of soul never again to commit it, or be at peace with it. This sense of sin drives the soul to Christ, and unites with the exercise of faith in Christ, to distinguish genuine religion from the counterfeits with which the world abounds.

http://www.reformedreader.org/rbb/dagg/motb4i.htm#fn0

(The Reformed Reader is a Calvinist website.)

 

IT's theology is worse than that. In Calvinism:

God sends people to Hell for unbelief, people that He has predestined to be incapable of believing.

God is angered by people that reject the blood of his Son, yet He never spilled his Son's blood for these people in the first place.

God commands all people everywhere to repent or perish, but He knows the reprobates can't repent and He knows the elect can't perish.

 

You are sticking to 1Cor.7:10 are you?
The passage is speaking of the godly sorrow of the Corinthian Christians.
The unregenerate cannot have godly sorrow for they aren't yet godly. How can the ungodly have godly sorrow? The passage is speaking of believers not unbelievers. Nowhere does the Bible teach that sorrow is a condition of salvation. Why do you guys insist on a works based salvation. Salvation is by faith and faith alone. Whatever happened to sola fide?

 

I agree with this quote....do you understand the first 2 sentence s? We repent and keep on repenting of remaining corruption. Repentance is no stranger to a real Christian

 

You have contradicted yourself in your own posts. Others here have shown you that.
God commands this, and then changes his mind and says never mind I will do it for you.
You have an unbiblical definition of repentance which you cannot find in the Bible.
You have a works-based view of salvation.

Dragging the past into the present doesn't help your cause any. Neither did they dismantle anything I said. But that is not now.

The truth is very simple. It is the gospel message. It can be simply expressed in one's testimony, and yet you have a hard time doing that. I guess you are not a part of "everyone else."

That is not what Jesus said in the verse I quoted. Herein is your error of scripture twisting.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
--See how simple that is. Jesus never spoke of "the Covenant of Redemption and Grace." He said that one must come through Him, and Him alone.

You say: "Of course....I believe it in the same way the historic church has always believed it;
It is you who oppose it...why can you not see that."
--But you just proved otherwise. The simple words of Jesus in John 14:6 you have substituted for a Covenant. Jesus said: "I am the way the truth and the life."
Icon says, The Covenant of Redemption.,.." is the way, the truth and the life..." That is not what the historic church has always believed. It is what Calvinism teaches.

 

There was no distinction made in that context between those in 8:30 and the balance of the passage. Even those of FGT see no distinction and believe that a sheep can become a child of the devil. But again there is no distinction drawn, they believed, and many say then they are converted no matter what happens later in the text to reveal what they truly are.

 

I hear what you're saying bro. Now, this is where the false dichotomy of believer/disciple comes in to play.

 

I see at least one has disagreed with this truth. What a shame and it tells you a lot about the persons gospel understanding, that it is severely amiss.

 

Repentance is the believers lifestyle, it comes from the inner workings of God, and is a part of the sanctification process, Hebrews 12:14; 1 John 3:3.

 

So we repent at regeneration and then continue to repent throughout our Christian walk. Sorta like on ongoing "good work" that we do so we can persevere to the end and complete the "P" in TULIP.

I got news for you, if you continually keep repenting of the same sin(s), you never truly repented to begin with.

 

The last statement concerning the new covenant; Heb. 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Is that in bold God's response to man's repentance or is it repentance granted by God or neither. Is it even relative to sin and repentance?