I have always said that Finney is a heretic and have distanced my teaching from him.
You have no idea what Finney taught, but just look at your teaching because it is exactly what he did teach. Go and find his teachings and post them here, post about his believing people saved themselves by 'an act of the will'. He believed and propagated that too. Isn't that what you're teaching all along? You said it, so of course it is.
You may be ignorant of him, (in fact you are) but you've picked up his theology big time.
The very fact that you link my teaching with him demonstrates that you don't know what I believe.
No, it demonstrates that you're ignorant of his teachings, yet teach the same things, while holding contempt for him.
How do you come up with some of the most absurd statements and trains of thoughts ever heard? What is this nonsense
'You (I) don't know what you believe'? Seriously? What you believe is all over this board you tell us your beliefs daily. DHK, I've nailed you and your system. It is most definitely Finneyism and his act of the will error.
Then, after this, you have a serious issue with salvation being possible with men. You completely misunderstand Matthew 19 and/or misapply it. You botch the entire meaning of
'impossible' by conflating it with
'difficult'. Do you really think Jesus meant it is hard for a rich person to enter heaven, (be saved) but that he can do it,
it's just difficult?
Then you claimed Jesus never said salvation is impossible with men. I showed you where it was in Scripture.
Anyhow, here is what you are doing, with questions:
You’re making the subject of the text
'saving ones self' in Matthew 19 or at least using it to prove a person can do it but that it is difficult. I know you're sitting there saying that you're not.
You are.
When you say concerning salvation
'It isn't impossible, but it is difficult' it is exactly what you are doing. Then you focus on the word
'difficult' and go off on mans ability to save himself yet again, speaking of
how hard it is to do and
'Jesus said so' arguments. You know what the passage says, not what it means and you are making it about man saving himself, saying how hard it is.
So I ask, did you save yourself? Were you poor, or rich when you did it? I am not trying to be funny here, I am just assessing how difficult it must have been for you to do it, or, how easy, and how utterly foolish your proposal upon the meaning of the text is.
If you were poor then it must have been very easy to save yourself, because according to you Jesus meant it is merely difficult for the rich to do it, therefore logically it must be
easy for the poor, a little
tougher for the middle class and
very difficult for the rich. If you were rich when you did it, tell us just how
hard it was, or if poor, how
easy it was. This is what you say the passage is about, how hard it is with rich men to be saved, because the passage says it is difficult
for them.
This is why it is a proven fact you're teaching works salvation and you're doing it by not understanding the text, or you just don't know what you are doing altogether. I don't think you see what you're doing. If you did you'd know your teaching is Finney doctrine and you'd (hopefully!) put an end to it.
