Everyone see's through his falsehoods now, the other day I pulled up a post in which AmyG destroyed his false ideas...which he repeats over and over,lol
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Internet Theologian
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He does this then threatens others and falsely accuses them of what he does.
To DHK's antagonists:
It is not mature or Christ-like for you to call him a liar, calling his beliefs a false theology, calling it Finneyism, saying he deletes posts, defining his beliefs contrary to what he states he believes, and all the other underhanded tricks and nasty things you have done in this thread. Then you sit and post gloating threads about how you've destroyed him. It is shameful the way you people are behaving! Grow up!
To DHK:
Your patience is amazing. If I were a moderator I would have closed this thread days ago. It's turned into an insult festival. Please put it out of its misery and lock it.
It is not mature or Christ-like for you to call him a liar, calling his beliefs a false theology, calling it Finneyism, saying he deletes posts, defining his beliefs contrary to what he states he believes, and all the other underhanded tricks and nasty things you have done in this thread. Then you sit and post gloating threads about how you've destroyed him. It is shameful the way you people are behaving! Grow up!
To DHK:
Your patience is amazing. If I were a moderator I would have closed this thread days ago. It's turned into an insult festival. Please put it out of its misery and lock it.
Internet Theologian
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Obviously one here has completely overlooked a mod calling several persons liars on this thread many times while misrepresenting them at the same time. That and the grandstanding of the person overlooking his behavior is sickening to behold.
I'm sorry MB, I am kind of lost on what you desired Scripture for, so I have taken a bit of time to compile the basic passages from which I have drawn the statements.
I used the underline feature to place a small amount of emphasis to aid more in clarity or reading then in making doctrine from fragments.
I made the statements from John 1:
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
and John 3:
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”
and John 6:
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
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44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
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44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
and John 10:
16 I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
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26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
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26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
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When presenting the gospel, what is it that God uses to open the understanding of the heathen heart? A preacher/teacher's words, or the Scriptures?
Can a heathen save a heathen?
If there are persons who post as enemies of the cross.... They accuse true brethren., two cannot walk together unless they are agreed. Semi Pelagian error has to be opposed.
DHK denies this, calls it hocus pocus, or magical, or being zapped...lol
there is disagreement here as well.
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DHK denies this.
The grace of God vs mans works
When presenting the gospel, what is it that God uses to open the understanding of the heathen heart? A preacher/teacher's words, or the Scriptures?
DHK says he believed on his own, then God "saved Him"
Can a heathen save a heathen?
If there are persons who post as enemies of the cross.... They accuse true brethren., two cannot walk together unless they are agreed. Semi Pelagian error has to be opposed.
We have shown his lies with direct quotes
he has false theology...what do you want us to call it?
Read some Finney, read Dhks posts...
take off your DHK colored glasses and read the garbage he posts.
None of us believes in a gospel of works, or Roman catholic teaching or anything else your hero suggests.
You have not answered when we respond to you. You accuse then run away.
Internet Theologian
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Exactly. This is all nothing but drumming up threats, fear of a man and grandstanding by at least 2 on this thread. Both overlook what he has been doing. At least Rippon and Brother Joseph have the gall to call him on what he does as well.
What I have taught many times on this board is that Finney is a heretic.
What I have also posted, primarily for your sake, is his beliefs.
Now it is apparent that you neither know his nor mine, for they are different one for another.
Therefore, please stop the false accusations and slander. I have more than proved my case. Move on.
Internet Theologian
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Whatever. DHK obviously has struck a nerve with you two. So much so that you guys went to another forum and gossiped about him over there.
You may now go back to "Liking" one another's each and every post and driving up your positive ratings.
Why did a sun-worshiping Roman Emperor want to create a "Christian" church for himself? On October 27/28 312, Constantine won the Battle of the Milvian Bridge (a bridge over the Tiber River in Rome) in which Constantine claimed to have seen a Latin "cross" in the sky, along with a message of "in this sign conquer." The reality problem with the claim (assuming that Constantine saw anything at all) is that Jesus Christwas not crucified on a Latin cross - the Messiah was crucified on a "T" (like an uppercase T) shaped cross (see Crossing The T). The alleged incident nevertheless was accepted and formed the supposed justification for the later wars known as the "Crusades" - "crusade" is from a Latin word meaning a Latin cross - a Roman cross that Christ was not crucified on.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2011/20111027.htm
You are clueless about Finney. I refuse to speak to you unless you directly refer to my posts which discuss Scripture. If you are not willing to discuss Scripture, you are not worth listening to.
Internet Theologian
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Friend....your hero dhk has deleted posts several times...he deletes posts when we quote him , quote after quote...lying....
he has done this to us, OLD REGULAR, CON 1, RL Bosley, and several others.
Unless you can open your eyes, you will remain in your cocoon because you share his anti cal Jihad rather than hold honest dialog.
Listen...it is okay to disagree...it really is, but when I tell you I do not believe a works gospel, I post links and sermons on it, then you keep accusing me of it....I call that Lying...what do you call it ITL?
In reading back over the thread (hurriedly) there are statements made (often in the heat of battle) that may be taken as disagreeable to the questions I posted.
But, they are also inconsistent with some of other statements made when not so exercised.
It would be rational for the participants to show agreement (or disagreement) with the questions as it pertains to their view. Such a post is not obliged, but would help focus the issues of what exactly each is in agreement and disagreement.
Attempting to remove the accusation of "this is what you said" from the, "No, this is what I said , or meant to say," - for one may state something, and then must realize that there are nuances to the statement than may be extrapolated that are not accurate to the statement.
The typical view held by a person, will tend to drift (or swing) depending upon the excitement of a debate or the tiredness / weariness of both the engagement and participants. That is not to say that the core values of a view are violated, but as the expression of a view is attached, there is a certain "push back" that may occur that colors the statements.
I don't know anything about whether or not DHK deletes posts. Don't care. He's a mod. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Get over it.
I see. When you see something you believe to be false doctrine you address the problem. When I see something that is false doctrine, and make no mistake about it, Calvinism is false doctrine, I'm on a jihad.
You are going to need to show me where I keep accusing you of a works based gospel. I did say (once) if one believes in "repenting of your sins" for salvation, then yes, that is works based. Unsaved people repent of their sins all the time. The drunk can quit drinking, the thief can quit stealing, without conversion to Christ.
What do you call it when you constantly ascribe Finneyism to DHK and he states he thinks Finney is a heretic and he doesn't agree with him? Is that not lying by your definition (above)?
Thankyou brother for being cordial.
Joh_3:20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
These have rejected the light of God that will save them. they hate the light neither will they come to the light. This shows they can see the light but still will not come.
No where in scripture are we called to Salvation. The Gifts and calling both happen after Salvation has been received. The gifts are spiritual and the calling is an appointment to a specific job such as preaching or missionary or any number of different callings. Please reread this chapter and you will under stand.
Job was under the Law he had no means of being saved as we are. If he was then Christ died for nothing. Because we would not have needed Him. He had no Gift of Salvation. The most he could hope for was being set aside in hell as was David. They were the captives that Christ preached to when he died.
A gift can be rejected I have done it and so has my wife.
Maybe you could show where the free gift of Salvation is effectual to everyone.
For me the Holy Spirit was effectual in convincing me of the truth eventually. It is He that truly brings men to Christ. I was raised in a Baptist Church and I myself rejected Christ many times before I finally became convinced of Christ.
I accepted Christ and I surrendered to Him. but it took14 years of hearing the gospel for me to actually come to that point of being saved
MB
why not show what you said I said. You are very dishonest in this post. I'd do it to you but I'm not made that way.
MB