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I've never read finney. I do not hold to what men claim but if He claims the same as I do more power to him.He can't as ignorant as Calvinism.

I didn't notice you calling me a brother. If DHK or I is worthy of such an Honor why would you speak so hatefully to a brother as you do making false accusations like you just did DHK whom I happen to have a lot of respect for. You no have no proof I follow any one but Christ. You're one of those guys who can read the minds of others obviously. One thing for sure you seem to be in love with Augustine the author of the Catholic faith. Widely Known to be a false doctrine. Why should I be surprised Calvinist are just plain old warmed over Catholics. You can call me Born again Christian. One who will not take your demeaning statements. I'll send them right back at you. Now if you are willing to discuss doctrine I'm more than willing to do this in a respectful manner

What specifically did you wish to discuss?. Divorce, Little Children, the richman not being willing to obey Christ in order to be perfect. Of course you'll most likely say it about something else

Really then why insult him with false accusations. You don't know any thing about him except for a few words. For instance I can't write a post that long on what I believe it would take at least a 500 page book if then, but you read a few words and start throwing accusations with out knowing all there is to know. Like your doctrine you take the words of men with out bible study and claim it as truth.

Maybe you should listen more than you flap your jaw. In my opinion you maybe pleasantly surprised by what you can learn here on this board. You must be willing to consider what others say and not the person them selves.
MB

 

Brother MB,

Hello. Can you give me a scripture that shows God's free gift of salvation can be rejected by those He is trying to give it to? My Bible says "29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." (Romans 11:29), but aren't you saying God repents (changes his mind) regarding giving the gift of salvation dependent upon the will of the sinner, or does he still desire to give this gift to him after he has rejected it, died, and gone to eternal damnation so as not to "repent" regarding giving the gift of salvation?

Also, an offer can be rejected by the recipient, but salvation is said to be a gift, and the scriptural definition of a gift given by God cannot be declined by the recipient (i.e. it is effectual) to still be considered a gift, this is what Proverbs 17:8 means by saying, "8 A gift is as a precious stone in the eyes of him that hath it: whithersoever it turneth, it prospereth"

Finally, the scriptural definition of a gift is effectual and always received by the recipient that is why Proverbs 18:16 says, "16 A man's gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men."
What you make salvation into is an offer by God, not a gift. An offer can be rejected by the recipient and bring God down to the level of a man, which at most, He is reduced to be doing mere bargaining and may leave a man but with what he had if man rejects it.

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

Yes he was redneck. Prove He wasn't. LOL! I If you can't see, I don't know what else I can do

 

You've never read Finney, so you don't know what he taught, but know I am wrong about what he taught. LOL!

Then you didn't miss anything.

Wait...what?

You say that then you think you've read mine lolzzzzzzzzzzzz:

Keep telling yourself that.

Which demeaning statements? Quote them.

Too late you've already been doing this!

Well, golly, I am glad you are now done calling names and are ready to talk doctrine!

See, you don't even know what topic in Matthew 19 we were discussing, instead you just came in with your mouth flapping in ignorance.

That never happened. Why lie? Go quote these and prove their falsehood.

Agreed and how much those few have spoken!

No need to blather on that long, your condensed version has shown enough error.

Believe me I've listened and there is nothing to be learned from false teaching, his, nor yours. Practice the latter yourself, by your own admission you don't even know the topic we were discussing yet determined one is wrong the other is right about it.

 

I don't see Paul given a choice in the matter here:

1 But Saul, yet breathing threatening and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 and asked of him letters to Damascus unto the synagogues, that if he found any that were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, it came to pass that he drew nigh unto Damascus: and suddenly there shone round about him a light out of heaven:
4 and he fell upon the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
6 but rise, and enter into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. Acts 9

I don't see Paul given a choice in the matter here:

15 But when it was the good pleasure of God, who separated me, even from my mother`s womb, and called me through his grace,
16 to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the Gentiles; straightway I conferred not with flesh and blood: Gal 1

 

Folks, remember that guests read what is written on the threads.

Please be gentle, tenderhearted, and use words that express loving kindness to each other.

One cannot be a member of the BB without being a brother or sister and although the fleshly families squabble, and the apostles argued about seating arrangements, it is unlikely that the Lord Jesus Christ is pleased with some temperamental exchanges seen. I know He never was when I was exercised in such discussions!

Do not bring rebuke of the Lord upon yourselves by exchange of words that are not fitting of the Holy Spirit.

Believers are to be at peace (as much as is in them) with all men; surely, that includes folks that a believer may have disagreement over some doctrinal statements.

Perhaps is would be wise, before one hits the "Post Reply" button, that reflection is made upon the words chosen and see how to enhance the edification of the reader(s).

 

Finney was the President of Oberlin College and taught what came to be known as "Oberlin Theology."
He believed in entire sanctification and denied the depravity of man. He believed that theoretically it should be possible to build a community of believers on this earth entirely free from sin. To this end he tried to do so, but his experiment failed. But you probably know none of those things because you don't know very much about Finney, his history, and his doctrines. It is doubtful that you even know what "Oberlin Theology" is.
Thus your argument is based on false accusations, innuendo, false premises, etc.
You don't know what Finney believed and it is apparent you don't know what I believe.
You are simply embarrassing yourself.

I had said:
The very fact that you link my teaching with him demonstrates that you don't know what I believe.
--Now I have demonstrated who is the one ignorant of the teachings of Finney or you wouldn't have associate neither me nor MB with his teachings. In fact there is no one on this board that you would be able to honestly associate with his teachings. Those individuals would only post in the Other Christians Denominations Forum, as they would not be Baptists. Your accusations are entirely false. You simply continue to slander and malign others. Pitiful. Perhaps I should ask another moderator to look into your behavior.

Perhaps you should educate yourself. Do a simple search on "heresies of Finney" and see what you find. Stop embarrassing yourself.
You obviously don't have a clue what I believe. You simply associate me with someone who holds heretical views that are very contrary to mine. That leaves you clueless.Right?

Are you still harping on that, even after I gave you a careful exposition of the passage from Mark 10?
If you can 't follow the exposition from Mark 10, perhaps you should go back to school and retake English comprehension, or at least tell me what you don't understand in my explanation. But don't falsely accuse me all over again.

I carefully explained that passage for you here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-16#post-2194798
--Reread it if you have to, but don't go on falsely accusing me.

Show where I said that here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-16#post-2194798
--Stop with the false accusations.

And on and on you go.
Prove that from this post, which seemingly you haven't read yet:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-16#post-2194798

Three times Jesus said it is difficult, and then Jesus said it is not impossible for all things are possible with God. But you refuse to look and see what I actually said. Either that or you need to go back to school and retake English comprehension if you ever had it in the first place.

You are being foolish and an embarrassment.
Read:
http://www.baptistboard.com/threads...-you-will-be-saved.97511/page-16#post-2194798

All non sequitor.
You have not read my post.
You do not know what I believe.
You do not know what Finney believe.
I am not certain if you even know what you believe.

 

No, I am nowhere near Finney. Perhaps you need some education about him yourself.

Neither one. It is not a falsehood. Study your history. He grew up in a culture of persecution, that is, when the RCC persecuted those who were not RCC. It was a swirling controversy concerning baptism at that time.

 

I have taught you. Did you pay attention?

 

Can you see where you assume? I didn't say man makes it work, you did. You see your trying to place words in my mouth. God is the one who makes it work He just does not force it down our throat

 

You've Googled and now deem yourself and expert. I lived near Oberlin College and am fully aware of it. You teach as he taught that salvation is an act of the will. You'll have to go outside of a Google search to get what he really taught. All you've given are scant generalities that any person can find with Google.

Oh, so you've Googled and have crowned yourself the winner and that must mean that I am ignorant? How humble of you! Did you not teach salvation an act of the will? Finney also taught this error. His teachings on salvation are yours. GO ahead, get another moderator, I will own up to anything but the admins need to take a very close look at your behavior, for as a mod you continually call names, call others liars, lie about what they have said, say things they didn't and insult others on a regular basis, as in this post here. Many here have shown you this and are fully aware of it.

Au contraire, I've shown specifically that what you believe he also believed. And I don't need to Google, I've read it, book form.

Careful eisegesis is more accurate. Then you add on more demeaning personal attacks.

There you go twisting what you said. I saw what you said so stop with your baseless nonsense. Jesus said with man it is impossible. YOU said with men entering the kingdom 'It isn't impossible but it is difficult' for them. Then as usual you make insults on my person.

More personal insults. I don't need the links, I know what you said and have quoted you saying it.

Keep telling yourself that!

 

You mean Calvinists --not Calvinism.

But you are not an authority on Calvinism;to say the least. You are the one who said that by reading the commentaries of John Knotts it was helpful to you because they exposed the errors of Calvinism.LOL! I got such a kick out of that one.

Of course you were, and perhaps still are, unaware that Knox studied at the feet of John Calvin and appreciated his ministry very much.

Then, of course, Knox never wrote commentaries on books of the Bible.

That is just a sampling of how mixed up you are on this subject.

Care to document that charge?

 

You're clueless. All you've provided was Google knowledge.

 

Right he was. Why else would he right away ask what the Lord would have him do. Asking what some one wants of them is a choice. He didn't have to ask. He was willing to do what ever the Lord asked and did
MB

 

You are wrong. If the information I provided you was from a google search I would have provided the URL, but it wasn't. It was what I have learned through a study of history, the history of Fundamentalism. I didn't have to look any of it up. You make invalid assumptions.

 

Now everyone can see your false accusations Rippon I've never read John Knotts nor did I ever claim I did. But I have read some of John Calvin's mistakes. And a bunch of your's LOL!

 

I said you are a lot closer to Finney's theology than to that of Charles Spurgeon.

You charged that Augustine persecuted Bible-believing Christians. That is completely untrue. Of course we all expect you to falsify history as you have done so on countless occasions here on the BB.

Now, back up your charge. Document. If you can't document than admit you have been wrong. It's that simple.

 

You didn't? Here is what you said, and say it you did!:

No, I keep placing your quotes in your mouth. Who said a thing about it being forced down our throats?

 

Of course you said you did. You meant John Knox --but even if you had said John Knox you would have been totally wrong, as I have pointed out.

Based on your posting history I doubt that you can tell what is truth and what is error.

 

Um, no, I'm not wrong. You've only provided general scant things about him, mentioned 'Oberlin Theology' and none of his soteriological views because you know none of them.

That is the context of his teachings in this thread and in what we are discussing. Instead of providing that you talk about Oberlin College and generally nothing about his soteriology. This my friend is because you don't know what he taught soteriologically.

What were his ideologies called? Google it, because you do not know, and if you did know it would be something you would have known to use right off the bat and you'd also be fully aware that his views are an exact match of your views.