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Explaining what the Holy Spirit is sent to do is hardly confined to the context of salvation.

Granted, knowing that we can know the real Holy Spirit as dwelling in us and abide in us forever is key to OSAS, but it is also for discerning other spirits that come over a believer later on in life to know that is not the Holy Spirit, and Jesus did point out other duties of the Holy Spirit.

He cannot speak for Himself ( John 16:13 ) He is the Spirit of the Father when Jesus was on earth and now He is the Spirit of Christ when Jesus is above. The Spirit cannot be the Spirit of the Spirit. He cannot speak for Himself at all. That means God's gift of tongues cannot be used by the Holy Spirit to speak TO God. This is why the KJV uses "itself" in Romans 8:26-27 because in verse 27, this "he" is the Son knowing the mind of the Spirit since the intercessions of the Spirit's are unspeakable for the Spirit cannot utter them to make them known verbally or by any sounds whatsoever since even his groaning cannot be uttered.

Plus, since He cannot speak for Himself, how can He lead believers to speak for Himself in seeking His own glory when that would mean there is unrighteousness in God in how the Spirit witness?

John 5: 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

So the Holy Spirit is sent to glorify the Son.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me:

The only way He can do that is through us as that testimony of the Son in worship is how the Spirit will glorify the Son through us.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

It is apostasy that the Three Persons of the Triune God are singled out in hymnals, like this one hymn where the third verse goes like this; "Spirit, we love you, we worship, and adore you... glorify thy name in all the earth...".

It is apostasy that sometimes, the hymnals focus only on the Holy Spirit.

It is apostasy because Jesus said plainly; when you are not honoring the Son, you are not honoring the Father. There is no other way to honor the Father by since the Holy Spirit has been sent to honor the Son by testifying of the Son to glorify the Son THROUGH us.

I kind of wish the Lord would lead Protestant to get involve in this since he has alluded that he does the Berean approach to scripture, but I have made him mad somehow in that other thread, and so I better not tag him to come here.

I will have to hope that the Lord will lead him to do that Berean approach to scripture in proving everything in regards to this topic without my prompting him to do it. Like many other members, including myself, I reckon his time is limited to a certain amount of threads, but Jesus is Lord. It is His ministry after all.

 

Did the Triune God died on the cross? Or is that glory given to the Son only? Philippians 2:5-10

Is the credit is to the Father that draws men unto the Son or is it the Holy Spirit's? John 6:44 & John 6:65 & Matthew 11;25-27 & John 6:39

Is the glory of God's on the Son or is there another way to glorify God by? John 13:31-32

So how is God the Father specifically honored? John 5:23

So how is God specifically glorified by in Whose name is above every other name? Philippians 2:9-11 And why is that name exalted again? Philippians 2:5-10

Now what is the Holy Spirit, Whom is also God, supposed to be doing? John 16:14

Now how is He going to glorify the Son except through us in worship? John 15:26-27

This is why there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, because it runs against His words in scripture.

Which is more reprehensible? Not abiding in Him & His words because of a practice derived out of assumption by men or reproving by the scripture the status quo of a long held church practice?

 

To be a true Witness, The Holy Spirit cannot speak of Himself in seeking His own glory at all. He witnesses through us and so He cannot lead us to witness any other way in worship other than to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and thereby honoring the Father's request for believers to honor the Father by only honoring the Son.

There is no other way to come to and worship God the Father by. John 14:6

There is no way the Holy Spirit would point otherwise in worship.

 

But where is the glory of that One God? How is the glory of that One God glorified by? The Son. John 13:31-32

Is the Son the Bridegroom or not? Then how is the bride to behave in worship? By honoring the Son as led by the Spirit of God to do, we are honoring God the Father.

There is no dishonoring the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit is leading us only to honor the Son in order to honor the Father.

 

I understand the assumption based on the reality of the Triune God for which the practice has come from, but that practice is not specifically instructed as such in scripture BUT it is instructed by the Father on how He wants us to come to and honor Him in worship and that is by the only way of the Son plainly in the scripture. That's the truth here.

And that is why the way to worship is hard to find in these latter days. Matthew 7:13-14 The answer is to narrow it back to the Son ( Luke 13:24 )

That's okay. I have made a mistake in reference too, however, I think you need to refer to what Bible version you are using, because when you point your mouse over that reference, the forum generating that scripture does not say it the way you had quoted it earlier.

Isaiah 64: 1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence, 2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence! KJV

That sounds like a prophecy about Jesus coming back to earth as the King of kings.

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. KJV

Sorry. I do not see your quoted version as correct as inferring the Holy Spirit, whatever that version was.

 

Has Jesus taught us to honor the Holy Spirit?

Has Jesus taught us to glorify the Holy Spirit?

Has Jesus taught us to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father and the Son?

Jesus has taught us that the Holy Spirit is God and of the Triune God.

But Jesus told us how the Father wants us to honor Him by.

Jesus told us that the glory of God was in His Son.

Paul told us that the name of the Son Whom died for us is the name above every other name to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus told us what a false witness is and what a true witness is.

Jesus told us that the Holy Spirit is sent to glorify the Son through us.

So worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father and the Son runs against scripture in how the Father wants us to come to Him to honor Him by.

P.S. Incidentally, Santha had helped me earlier in figuring out the tagging thing. I forgot to give full credit to him as I could not figure out why it was not working.

 

Only because scripture cannot go against scripture, and that is why I believe you are misapplying those scriptural references wrong even when it is not plainly teaching to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

Okay, brother. I appreciated your participation. I do not know everything in the Bible, nor every topic of truth in the Bible, but this truth stands out because I believe that was what Jesus was warning about in Matthew 7:13-27 & why Luke 13:24-30 is the solution and the reason to avoid it.

 

John 5:23 is pretty clear that when we are not honoring the Son, we are not honoring the Father. When that follows after he that honors the Son, honor the Father that sent Him, that pretty much means honoring the Son is the only way to honor the Father in anything.

Nope. Just recognizing what has been plainly taught in scripture and why problems are arising when people worship not only the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, but when they just focus on the Holy Spirit in worship too, and that is when seducing spirits come with signs and lying wonders, misleading many believers into thinking that was the Holy Spirit.

If we fail to recognize the role of the Holy Spirit as explained in scripture, we would never realize that it is seducing spirits grabbing the spotlight for themselves, masquerading as the Holy Spirit in worship whereas the real indwelling Holy Spirit would keep that spotlight on the Son in worship.

There is no denying the Triune God, but there is no denying how the Holy Spirit will lead believers in testifying of the Son even in worship in order for the Holy Spirit to glorify the Son and that is through us.

 

You can't go wrong when scripture and the Holy Spirit is leading you to honor the Father by honoring & glorifying the Son.

But plenty can go wrong when the way to coming to God the Father in worship is by denying the commandment of His invitation that the Son is the only way any believer can COME to the Father by in worship. John 14:6

Why else is this ( Luke 13:24 ) the solution to avoiding this ( Matthew 7:13-14 )?

 

The Holy Spirit is God of the Triune God that is a Witness sent by God to serve as a Witness through us in glorifying the Son in all things so that the Father is glorified when the Son is glorified,