Featured Berean Proof the Nicene Creed of 381 A.D. Challenge

The one you gave:

The concept that Christ gave up His Glory here is error. We do not see shedding His Deity, but veiling it in human flesh. God did not become a man, but took upon Himself the form of man. It was a legitimate human form, but, nowhere does Scripture teach that Christ was not God manifest in the flesh, or that He shed His Deity.

Thus my argument, we cannot have God ceasing to be God, or, He ceases to be God. Both simple and complex, but that is the truth we have to grasp.

Your arguments, whether intentional or unintentional, present three gods rather than the One God of the Bible in Three Persons. This view allows that God died, and implies that God ceased to be God in the Incarnation.

I think it is unintentional, but, that is what is going to be concluded when you teach as you have been. The further complication, as well as verification of this concept, is seen in your refusal to acknowledge the Spirit of God as God as well.


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The flesh died, Hark, that is the point I have made several times, and will make it once more: Atonement was accomplished through the physical death of Christ...

...alone.

Above is a reference to His physical death, and does not imply that God died absolutely. Physical sin requires physical death, which is a simple lesson most miss in the Old Testament, because they equate the temporal nature of sin and death with the eternal nature revealed in the New Testament. When an Old Testament person was put to death for sin, that was in payment for the physical sin. It did not remove their sin, because they were...guilty.

Christ died a physical death for us, He being...

...not guilty.

On that basis His Sacrifice is accepted, whereas those who are guilty simply pay the cost of sin.

So His death was not victory over sin and death?


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Hark, I am not sure why you are having trouble with my responses.

This creates the necessity to repeat the same things over.

So let's stick with this one point for now.

The death He died was a physical death, whereas you are equating this to a cessation of sorts.

Nothing else needed to be accomplished in regards to Atonement once that physical death took place. Sin was paid for.

This does not mean that God at that time died. This does not mean He ceased to be God. This does not mean He was separated from God.

Because He was God.


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Again you ascribe to men something Scripture only ascribes to God.

You just posted Scripture that attests to the fact that no man took His Life...He laid it down of His own power.

So again you introduce an erroneous concept into your Theology that has no Scriptural basis.

He did not, as you say, die because He claimed to be God. He died because He veiled His glory in human flesh, and went to the Cross of His own will. This will was a foregone conclusion before the world even came into existence.

Yet you are saying that men took Him and put Him to death as though they had the power to do so.

Again, consider:


John 10:17-19

King James Version (KJV)

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.


Men did not kill the Christ, my friend, Christ walked straight to it.


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No Hark, I have been arguing that the Son of God, at no time, ceased to be God, which denies a possibility for the theology you are teaching that God was separated from God.


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Hark, I gave you the specific passage in the quote.

You are not really reading my responses, are you?


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A cessation of God being God, which is what you suggest when you make His physical death into a spiritual continuation while that flesh lie dead.

If God in fact separated from Christ on the Cross, that would demand that God ceased being God.

Understand?


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It is a quotation from the Psalms, a validation of His Person, that He was the Christ.

Now, let me ask you a simple question: did God forsake David?


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Did God forsake David, Hark?


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Trying to.




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And we know...He didn't. David came to understand that as well, for despite his sin and the tragedy that his sin brought about, he died at peace with God.

And God no more forsook Christ than He did David.

Those who separate God from Himself create a concept that is simply impossible.

It would be equally possible to separate me as an uncle from me as a brother.

God is God, always has been, always will be, and He cannot die.

You seek to reconcile this simple truth, that though David speaks of being forsaken, the reality is that God did not forsake him. It deals with temporal circumstances, not eternal realities. And until we can learn to separate the temporal from the eternal in our studies, we will make the mistake of blending the two to create false concepts and doctrines not taught in Scripture. You have presented this...


Philippians 2:5-8

King James Version (KJV)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

...as a proof text for Christ shedding His Deity, and this is not to be found in this text. What is in view is the veiling of the Glory of God in human form, which is also made clear here...


Hebrews 10:19-20

King James Version (KJV)

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


His Deity was but veiled, and this is the same thing He did in the Old Testament. Every occurrence of God directly dealing with man involves God manifesting in a form which can interact with man. Thus we can reconcile an apparent contradiction, "No man can/hath at any time seen God," and the fact men did see God in the Old Testament.

The reconciliation is that no man has seen God in His glory, not a concrete principle that no man has ever seen God.


God bless.