Featured Who is Sanctified in Hebrews 10:29?

Hebrews 10:29

King James Version (KJV)

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


The word "he" is not in the original language, Vooks, it is an insertion of the translators, lol. And your argument hinges on that word. You refuse to understand the context because it interferes with what you want to believe.


God bless.

 

In other words, "Has counted Covenant Blood which sanctifies unholy."

In view is the Covenant, we cannot remove that from the statement. It is the validation of the New Covenant.


God bless.

 

You are still imposing an incorrect meaning to sanctified, Vooks.

How many times do you have to be told that Christ being sanctified is not a matter of Him being made righteous through that Sacrifice?

The sanctification simply refers to a rendering, or imputation of a position of set apart (in this context). The room of the Tabernacle was holy, was it righteous?


God bless.

 

Okay, let's turn your question around on you, for the purpose of exposing the ridiculous nature of it.

What was Christ, the Son of God, before God sanctified Him and sent Him into the world?

Here is the proof text:


John 10:36

King James Version (KJV)

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?


We'll use your understanding and ask "What was Christ before He sanctified Himself?"

Here is the proof text:


John 17:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.



Answer both, Vooks, and do not ask me what the question is ten times again.


God bless.

 

Now, if you could just see that it is your reasoning behind the question, and repent of it, then you would stop asking questions like this, and perhaps go on to actually understand what your antagonist is sharing with you.

It is an unreasonable question. So go look at your own question and recognize it for what it is. This is what you are asking when you ask...

God bless.

 

That's not the context of Hebrews 10, so, take your own advice and understand it...in it's context.

No-one denies we are sanctified by the Blood, which I why I have repeatedly presented this...


Hebrews 10:10-14

King James Version (KJV)

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Now, what you do, when you have those in Chapter Ten being sanctified by the Blood of Christ and then coming under eternal judgment (drawing back unto perdition) is...

...nullify what the Writer states here.

What this teaches is that we are sanctified once (for all is an insertion) and those who are sanctified by His Sacrifice are made perfect...

...for ever.

You negate this statement with your view.

Now, you say I deny that men are sanctified by His Blood, when I have repeatedly stated they are over and over. Hence we continue on this merry-go-round because you refuse to understand the context.

Hebrews 10 has one over-riding context, which is...

...remission (forgiveness) of sins.

The contrast is "The sacrifices of the Law cannot take away sin, and cannot make one complete in regard to remission of sin...

...but Christ's does, and furthermore...for ever."

But because you want to believe that Christ's Sacrifice is faulty, and that people can lose their salvation, you go in circles, making your antagonists repeat the same basic principles over and over.

If you want to believe you can lose your salvation, that is your choice, but, I will tell you that you will be held accountable for that teaching. You teach works-based faith which denies that Christ's Sacrifice does what Scripture states it does, which is save people. Christ bestows eternal life to believers, unlike your view, which simply makes Christ a starting point.

He is the Author and Finisher of our faith, my friend:


Hebrews 12:2

King James Version (KJV)

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I have told you numerous times that you will understand this better if you actually learn what the Writer teaches about perfection. The word here is making the same statement we see in Hebrews 10, and here we are told Christ begins our faith (and that is through the Ministry of the Comforter, which the rejecters "do despite unto")and...

...He, not you, is the Completer.

It's really very simple, Vooks, and would have been understood by those who would have had this read to them, because they (1) would have understood the language of that day, and (2) would not have been injecting spurious false teachings that arose through the centuries, as you do.


God bless.

 

And this is the simple point you are missing, Vooks, they are not sanctified by the Blood of Christ...they have counted it unholy.

You can't do that and be saved.


God bless.

 

Could you show me a verse that teaches "beliefs are not static?"

In regards to the Pre-Trib Rapture, you act as though you actually contributed anything to that topic.

How exactly can the Church be raptured at the end of the Tribulation when this would leave no physical believers to have physical descendents who rebel against God?

But you are simply not able to follow a thought through. Once I get you to the point where you have to answer a question, you begin dodging again.

So here is the question again:

Are the sins you commit in the future forgiven already, or, was it only the sins you had committed up until salvation that were forgiven, and now the slate is clean, and boy...you better not sin.

Answer the question.


Continued...

 

This should be easy enough for you.

Not a good analogy, because we do not have a spiritual resurrection depending on whether we believe there was a holocaust or not.

And that is logical. I am told by Atheists on a frequent basis, "I used to be a Christian, but now I am not."

You know what the first question I ask them is?

"How is one saved?"

And they never know. Were they Christians once, Vooks?

Again, this is not a good analogy, so stop departing from Scripture.

Irrelevant...people are not born again concerning the Holocaust, and regeneration does not fail to produce fruit.

This is an absurd analogy, lol.

You can't...substitute belief in the holocaust with Christianity.

You throw around theological words you simply don't understand. Sure, you can google apostasy, and tell me you know what it means. But I am going to go one further: produce passages that actually speak about Apostasy, and lets see who the Apostates are.

I dare you...




Continued...

 

It's right there in the texts, my friend, every passage that speaks of one coming under eternal judgment clearly shows they are unbelievers.

They are those that draw back unto perdition, and the Writer states quite clearly...

"...we are not of them that draw back unto perdition, but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."

Two groups, amigo.

Your doctrine has only one.

Let's look at the state of Apostates:



2 Thessalonians 2

King James Version (KJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
alling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


This is the first group mentioned, and here is the second:



13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


Now your doctrine demands that you might just be a part of the first group, because your doctrine denies that God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth.

Stinks to be you, my friend.

And what is the fundamental truth you are missing, Vooks?

I'll give you a hint...


John 3:16-18

King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


But, I do you a disservice. I need to start a thread on Perfection. I can't expect you to understand Hebrews 10 when you have not yet understood what is meant by the completion Christ brought in regards to remission of sins, and that He, the Author and Completer of our faith, has made perfect those who are sanctified by His Blood.

So forgive me.


God bless.