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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by TomLaPalm, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. TomLaPalm

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    I am sure all on this site agree Baptist (s) or Baptist doctrine is not from the Protestant Reformation.
     
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    I would not be sure of that at all.
     
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    I do not believe "baptist" is a denominational name as much as it is a doctrinal identity. So, with that in mind I believe baptist doctrine is biblical, and that God has never left mankind without a gospel witness, our doctrine goes clear back to the bible.

    On the other hand, churches going by the name "Baptist" are of fairly recent advent, dating to around 1609 or 1610. :)
     
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    Your certainty is misplaced.
     
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  5. TomLaPalm

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    You might be thinking of English Baptists the doctrinal belief set is much older
     
  6. TomLaPalm

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    The readers are uninformed then?
     
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    What part of "our doctrine goes clear back to the bible" was unclear? :)
     
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  8. TomLaPalm

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    Because only parts of the current Baptist doctrine are traced in other groups through History. There was not a group that kept all parts of our doctrine continuously from Paul. Although I believe ,as perhaps you do, individuals believers and smaller unnamed (maybe family) groups have kept the New Testament church beliefs intact and continuous
     
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    Yes it is. Baptists are Protestants...seeing as they arose out of the Radical Reformation, they are part of the Protestant Reformation. They are Protestants.

    Besides, I've never met a group more eager to protest something than Baptists.
     
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    Technically the only churches that are Protestant are the Lutheran Church (1517 - Wittenberg, Germany), the Church of England (1535 - London, England) and the Reformed Church (1537 - Geneva, Switzerland).

    The other "Protestant" denominations branched out from the initial 3. The EV Free Church from the Lutheran Church in Sweden, the Methodist Church out of the Church of England, and the Presbyterian Church out of the Reformed Church.

    And so on and so on and so on. :)
     
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    People also forget that the Protestant movement also included influences outside of the RCC. Baptists are Protestant because we came out of that movement (Reformation - Radical Reformation), not because we came out of the RCC.

    And if you don't believe Baptists "protest" the RCC have I got a few threads to show you.

    Sent from my TARDIS
     
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    Neither are the Mormons.
    Apostolic succession offers no validity to baptism, nor nullification to that of the Reformers. The Trail of Blood is a fairy tale.
     
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    Alas, all too much of the stuff on this board is not from the Protestant Reformation, but I am a Protestant, and I don't hesitate to say that I am a Protestant before I am a Baptist.

    The English Particular Baptists built on the Reformation by removing the last remnant of Romanist doctrine- infant 'baptism'- and providing the correct understanding of Covenant Theology. :)
     
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    I see the Baptist movement in the beginning of 17th century in England having it's origin from the two branches of protestantism. It was influenced by the radical movement of Anabaptists in Holland that's where they got their doctrine of believers baptism by immersion and from the non radical protestantism of Lutheranism or Calvinism.

    I see God in history and throughout history ( especially since the Protestant Reformation) as reforming his Church and recovering to her the apostolic teachings of the early Church. Baptists like other Protestant denominations are a movement born in a specific time and place.

    The myth that there always have been Baptists since the early Church and throughout the Church history to this day, I don't get it. All those minority Christian groups from Donatists to the followers of John Hus had their particular distinctions as a christian movement.

    Baptists don't hold the monopoly of truth, Jesus and the Bible does and that Truth is manifested in doctrine as well in life of every true believer who is part of the Bride for each Christ died.
     
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    Cardinal Hosius (1504-1579)

    Cardinal Hosius says, "Were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past 1,200 years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers" (Letters Apud Opera, pp.112, 113).

    so 1200 years before the Reformation as said by the persecutor of Baptists
     
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    Maybe this Roman Catholic Cardinal is talking about Anabaptists because there were no Baptists yet during the lifetime of this Cardinal unless you equate an Anabaptist with a Baptist that's totally another subject of discussion.

    You believe in your trail of blood myth, that's your right to do so, but the historical facts in the history of the Church are not on your side, just saying brother.
     
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    The provenance of this quote is, shall we say, rather suspect. Check it out on the internet. There are no 'Letters apud Omnia' in the 'Complete Works of cardinal Hosius.'

    That there were groups that baptized adults rather than infants before the Reformation is a matter of record. But, sad to say, most of them (eg. Paulicians, Albiguenses) were heretical by any standards.

    Regardless of that, I am a Protestant Baptist and unashamed.
     
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    I have never been shackled by Rome. But I was once shackled by those who were shackled by Rome
     
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    I must protest the implication...


    God bless.
     
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    I only tell people that Baptist arent Prosteants - only to get an interesting conversation going.

    A little about history. We do know that Rogers Williams founded the First Baptist Church of Providence, RI. Keep in mind, he was an Anglican pastor - so that means we have some roots from the Anglican church - .......
     
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