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Featured When are names written in the "Book of Life"?"

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by TomLaPalm, Mar 21, 2016.

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  1. Internet Theologian

    Internet Theologian Well-Known Member

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    Seems everyone needs a verse due to a lack of insight and Biblical perception. In this case there is a verse that needs to say 'All believers names were written in the Book of Life after they repented, but before the world was crea...wait, NEVERMIND!' 1st Myopic 1:1
     
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  2. TomLaPalm

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    feel free to explain.
     
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  3. Internet Theologian

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    My friend I've already done all that. Thus my 1st Myopic 1:1 reference.
     
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  4. TomLaPalm

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    Rev 3:5

    He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    This verse suggests names are there and NOT removed when sinners become saints
     
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  5. Internet Theologian

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    So you think a verse suggests something? GOOD! Now apply that to the other passages given, Revelation 17:8; Revelation 13:8.
     
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  6. TomLaPalm

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    no, I admit I have missed your point entirely, Please explain you choice of verses in this regard.
     
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    Eph. 1:4. 'Just as He chose us in [Christ] before the foundation of the world.'
    2 Thes. 2:13. 'But we are bound to give thanks always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation.....'

    Now these verses do not contain the words 'Book of Life,' but surely we can join the dots up and see that God chose His elect in eternity past and that they are the ones written in the Book? Unless, of course, we are absolutely determined not to see what is so plainly there.
     
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    The key phrase is "in Christ" is. God chose everyone who is in Christ. This choosing of those who are "in Christ was certainly done before the foundation of the world. That is because that is when God chose Christ to be the propitiation, the tool of grace, the free gift for all who would be "in Christ.
     
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    No one was in Christ but rather considered dead in Adam.
    God elected a multitude of those fallen sinners to be In Christ at that time including all the means to have it happen.

    Slick wording like the wording of the baptist faith and message puts out.
     
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    I am responding to the OP, I have not read the follow-up comments.

    "From the foundation of the world" refers to the time frame starting at creation and ending at the end of the age. If a name is written in the Lamb's book of like today, it is written from the foundation of the world.

    Yes, both Rev. 13:8 and 17:8 refer to "names not written" but the logical inference is other names were written, and those whose names were written did not worship the beast. Hebrews 12:23 tells us that the general assembly in heaven have been "enrolled" and that these spirits are "the righteous made perfect." Thus those born anew, and washed with the blood of Christ are then enrolled in heaven. So our names are written when and not before God places us spiritually in Christ during our lifetime.
     
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    Before you can answer "when" the names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life you must first understand "where" the Lamb's Book of Life is located.

    It is located in Heaven. In Eternity. In Eternity there is no time. There is no sequence. There is no duration. As Eternity is not limited by time, neither is the Lamb's Book of Life limited by time.

    So, the question is moot. :)
     
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    This question is answered in the Hymn:

    Farther Along We'll Know All About It...

    Here is the best rendition of that song


    Hillbilly Wisdom - The best we have on earth.

    HankD
     
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  13. TomLaPalm

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    Although time is not in eternity, a sequence of events does occur and the results of events has effects. So "when" is not described by a time or date but before and after events have occurred. ie. the fall of Satan .

    Therefore the question is not moot, If the Book of Life is in Heaven , was it filled out before the creation of those who have names there or after? does it only include the redeemed or any being having "Life" ?

    So when is a fair question,
     
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    Sorry, but events which take place in time cannot be understood to be "before" or "after" something which exists in eternity.
     
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    Are you kidding? Is there not rejoicing in Heaven over the repentance over one sinner.. .

    I agree those without time can see all events with in time. But events in time have effects in eternity and vice versa
     
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    No.
    Yes. But that rejoicing is neither prior to nor after the event in time, as such concepts do not exist in eternity.

    Think of it this way. You are sitting at a table. The table represents eternity. On the table lies a yard stick. The yard stick represents time. As eternity completely surrounds time, there is no point in time that is not reachable in eternity. And thus there is no correlation between "before" and "after" as it relates to time, and eternity.

    You, sitting on the chair, can see all of time (the yard stick) simultaneously. You can touch any point in time from where you are in eternity. There is no "before" or "after." Only the eternal "now." :)
     
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    I agree with you but there is more.
    Events that occurred in heaven have effects here after the occurrence, or else the effect would not exist. the fall of Satan, Physical creation occurred after Heaven was created ,;etc. Can those in eternity see creation occurring, sure. Are those in Heaven affected by the physical creation, sure

    Job 38:7 shows a reaction of those in Heaven to the physical creation "Morning Stars sang, before creation no singing, after creation, singing. They could not see the event before it occurred or else why sing at the event
     
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    Really?

    Rev. 8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

    Yet, you can see the markings on the linear yardstick and you know which one are less and which ones are greated along that yardstick.
     
    #58 InTheLight, Mar 24, 2016
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    Yes.
    Yes. Was the silence only in one small corner of heaven closely adjacent to the incident on the timeline, or all of it? :)
     
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    The scene is set in Rev. 7

    Rev. 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

    “Salvation belongs to our God,
    who sits on the throne,
    and to the Lamb.”


    11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

    “Amen!
    Praise and glory
    and wisdom and thanks and honor
    and power and strength
    be to our God for ever and ever.
    Amen!”

    So, no, it wasn't in a little cubby hole of Heaven!
     
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