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Yes, I agree. When their mind is closed to the truth of God's word, that the gifts of tongues, prophecy, and knowledge have passed away and their experience is more important to them than God's word, then they will not receive from God that which He wants them to have. Their mind and heart are closed to His leading.

 

But he does. In fact he says they had already ceased to be given when Paul was writing First Corinthians. Look at chapter 13 verse 13. "But now (when Paul was writing) faith, hope, and love remain—these three. The greatest of these is love."

He did not say, "But now tongues, prophecy, knowledge, faith, hope, and love remain—these six. The greatest of these is love."

Nope. Paul made the timing very clear. It had already happened that the gifts were no longer being given to new converts and as those already gifted aged and passed away the gifts passed away with them. QED

 

The term can mean two very different things. One, as the term is used regarding the gift of foretelling, means to give new, as yet unknown, revelation, often regarding future events. The second is the forthtelling of that already given. It is what preachers do (or at least they ought to) today. We take what has already been given and "forthtell" or "tell forth" the word of God.

Nobody has said God can't do so. What we have said is that He won't because He said so. He said He was no longer giving the miraculous sign gifts. I think He meant it, and I also think He always keeps His word.

Forthtelling as opposed to foretelling.

 

Yes. Like when the revelation was complete.

Sign gifts authenticated the giving of revelation.

When revelation ceased so did the authenticating sign gifts.

 

What definition springs to mind when you think of prophecy? Surely most would answer, “Predicting or foretelling the future.” Yet in order to achieve clarity in understanding what prophecy is, it is helpful to consider that the scriptural definition is much broader. By no means is prophecy restricted to today's popular usage—that is, predicting the future. Certainly the Bible does use it in this sense, but it also uses it in another important way. When properly understood, most of the Bible is prophecy. It all hinges on how we understand and define the term.

Prophecy comes from the Greek word propheteia, which literally means “to speak forth” (pro, “forth”; phemi, “to speak”). According to Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th Edition, a prophet can be one who foretells the future or one who utters divinely inspired revelations.

So while prophecy is indeed prediction, it also means proclaiming God's truth. W.E. Vine says in his Dictionary of New Testament Words that a prophet is “a proclaimer of a divine message.... one to whom and through whom God speaks.” Vine also tells us that “propheteia... signifies the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God.... Though much of Old Testament prophecy was purely predictive,... prophecy is not necessarily, nor even primarily, fore-telling. It is the declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means,... it is the forth-telling of the will of God, whether with reference to the past, the present, or the future” (s.v. “prophet,” “prophecy,” emphasis added).

John Meakin, Religion and Spirituality, The Other Prophecy, Winter 2000 Issue

 

Yes, the foretelling prophet. But there are two types of prophet. You can't just ignore the other type of prophet!

That is the whole point of this discussion, which you seem, once again, to have missed!