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WHY NOT FORESEEN FAITH?
There are at least seven reasons why Divine election to salvation cannot be based on foreseen faith or human prerogative:
• Such a view is decidedly unbiblical, and derives from a rationalistic approach to the Scriptures that calls into question the nature and prerogative of God.
• To ground Divine election in foreseen faith is tantamount to saying that salvation is by works [human ability, self–determination] and not by grace (Rom. 11:5–6), as such faith would necessarily be meritorious.
• It reverses regeneration and faith, making “faith” [works, mere human trust] the cause, and regeneration the Divine response.442 Such a view presupposes that man
is not depraved or sinful by nature (Rom. 1:18–32; 3:9–18; 8:7–8; 9:16), that he possesses plenary ability to understand the Gospel (1 Cor. 2:14) and can savingly come to Christ apart from the regenerating grace of God (John 3:3, 5, 8; 6:37; 44; 65; Acts 11:18; 13:48; 16:14; 18:27; Eph. 2:4–5; Heb. 12:2).
• It denies the imputation of Adam’s sin and its consequences—moral and intellectual depravity. It denies that true, saving faith is the gift of God and makes faith synonymous with mere human trust or self–determination (Eph. 2:1–10).
• It denies that sinners are satanically–blinded so they cannot believe the Gospel (2 Cor. 4:4–7).
• This view takes Divine election, and thus all of salvation, out of the context of the eternal redemptive purpose and fragments the scriptural teaching of the infallibility of the redemption of sinners. Divine election would lose the very reason for its great encouragement and assurance.
• To base Divine election to salvation on foreseen faith would in reality render such an election absolutely unnecessary. God would have had no need to “choose” anyone, but merely to accept those whom he foresaw were willing!
I said your false teaching and false ideas were rebellion against revealed truth....saying it in different ways is never going to make error.............-truth.
Here Jesus explained the Spirit gives new life first, before a man can enter the Kingdom.
Your false teaching fails as it reverses the order completely.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
To all who can see it, it is everywhere.....
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
No one said otherwise. You suggest they can do it on their own, here from the thread;
WHY NOT FORESEEN FAITH?
There are at least seven reasons why Divine election to salvation cannot be based on foreseen faith or human prerogative:
• Such a view is decidedly unbiblical, and derives from a rationalistic approach to the Scriptures that calls into question the nature and prerogative of God.
• To ground Divine election in foreseen faith is tantamount to saying that salvation is by works [human ability, self–determination] and not by grace (Rom. 11:5–6), as such faith would necessarily be meritorious.
• It reverses regeneration and faith, making “faith” [works, mere human trust] the cause, and regeneration the Divine response.442 Such a view presupposes that man
is not depraved or sinful by nature (Rom. 1:18–32; 3:9–18; 8:7–8; 9:16), that he possesses plenary ability to understand the Gospel (1 Cor. 2:14) and can savingly come to Christ apart from the regenerating grace of God (John 3:3, 5, 8; 6:37; 44; 65; Acts 11:18; 13:48; 16:14; 18:27; Eph. 2:4–5; Heb. 12:2).
• It denies the imputation of Adam’s sin and its consequences—moral and intellectual depravity. It denies that true, saving faith is the gift of God and makes faith synonymous with mere human trust or self–determination (Eph. 2:1–10).
• It denies that sinners are satanically–blinded so they cannot believe the Gospel (2 Cor. 4:4–7).
• This view takes Divine election, and thus all of salvation, out of the context of the eternal redemptive purpose and fragments the scriptural teaching of the infallibility of the redemption of sinners. Divine election would lose the very reason for its great encouragement and assurance.
• To base Divine election to salvation on foreseen faith would in reality render such an election absolutely unnecessary. God would have had no need to “choose” anyone, but merely to accept those whom he foresaw were willing!
SO! And Paul did not use the phrase be born from above in any one place in scripture??? Does that mean it is not necessary??
No one said that was rebellion. You are posting verses in an thinly veiled effort to cover your false teaching.
I said your false teaching and false ideas were rebellion against revealed truth....saying it in different ways is never going to make error.............-truth.
Yes He did but with your lack of comprehension you suggest He did not do so. He did not use words you cherry pick, but he taught the teaching
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Here Jesus explained the Spirit gives new life first, before a man can enter the Kingdom.
Your false teaching fails as it reverses the order completely.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
To all who can see it, it is everywhere.....
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
