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You don't understand this Scripture. Those that believe believe because they are His sheep. Belief is not the cause of Salvation, it is the evidence. You make even belief a work, therefore making a work necessary to be saved 'Do this and I will save you'. It's called what DMLJ referred to as 'believeism'. You can go quote Acts 16 and the Philippian jailer, but you simply don't understand the Scriptures.

Things in Scripture are worded in a way the Spirit determined. We believe and understand Ephesians 1:19 and Ephesians 2:1 that it is by God we have faith and believed, as He is who has quickened us (made alive) or regenerated us for that end.

Rebellion and falsehood? That's a fabricated charge and huge straw man. Show us where any of us made such a claim.

Ephesians 2:1, John 3:7; John 3:63.

 

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refer back to post 4 and 5 as many as you post their are others who disagree do we need to keep finding these and countering them with each other.

 

They just show how the word is used a prescience in lieu of preordaining to preordain that's all.

 

Ephesians 2:1-9

1 And you were dead by reason of your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once lived according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the realm of the air, of the spirit now energizing the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we also all once lived in the passions of our flesh, gratifying the desires and impulses of the flesh and were by nature children of wrath, just like everyone else. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 even though we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ —by grace you have been saved 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 to demonstrate in the ages to come the incomparable riches of his grace in kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 it is not of works,so that no one may boast.

1 kai hymeise imi nekros ho hymeis paraptōma ·ho hamartia, 2 en hos pote peripateō kata ho aiōn ho houtos kosmos, kata ho archōn ho exousia ho aer, h opneuma ho nyn energeō en ho hyios ho apeitheia. 3 en hos hēmeis kai pas pote anastrephō en ho epithumia ho hēmeis sarx, poieō ho thelēma kai dianoia ho sarx, · ho kai eimi physis teknon orgē, kai hōs ·ho loipos. 4 ·ho de theos, eimi plousios en eleos, dia ·ho autos polys agapē hos agapaō hēmeis, 5ka ihēmeis eim inekros paraptōma, syzōopoieō ·ho Christos—charis eimi sōzō— 6 kai synegeirō kai synkathizō en ho epouranios en Christos Iēsous, 7 hina endeiknymi en ho aiōn ·ho eperchomai ho hyperballō ploutos ho autos charis en chrēstotēs epi hēmeis en Christos Iēsous. 8 gar ho charis eimi sōzōdiapistis, kai houtos ou ek hymeis, hodōrontheos; 9 ouekergon, hina mē tis kauchaomai.

Mounce uses Nekros for the word “dead.”

Then using this from Mounce dictionary we see:

Frequency in New Testament: 129

Morphology of Biblical Greek Tag:

a-1a(1)

Gloss:

dead (can be used physically or fig., of both persons and things); (n.) dead person, corpse

Definition:

dead, without life, Mt. 11:5; 22:31; met. νεκρός τινι, dead to a thing, no longer devoted to, or under the influence of a thing, Rom. 6:11; dead in respect of fruitlessness, Jas. 2:17, 20, 26; morally or spiritually dead, Rom. 6:13; Eph. 5:14; dead in alienation from God, Eph. 2:1, 5; Col. 2:13; subject to death, mortal, Rom. 8:10; causing death and misery, fatal, having a destructive power, Heb. 6:1; 9:14

Now we see “nekros” in this passage it is clearly speaking of Spiritual death in verse because it is qualified with the phrase “by reason of your trespasses and sins.” They walked according to satan as sons of disobedience. Walking in the passions of the flesh. God loved us when we were nekros when we were dead in our trespasses. Isn’t that something God loves the sinner, He made us alive and now here is where the contention is, He made us alive by Grace we have been saved, that we have not contention over it is when regeneration occurred that is the contentious part but let’s continue here. Raised us up with Christ as a demonstration that as a witness of His grace and kindness, to whom was He showing this grace and kindness, to the unbeliever in that we are witnesses to them of this because we have been saved. We see that in verse 8 “For by Grace are you saved, if we stopped there then that would mean we were regenerated at this point but the Holy Spirit didn’t stop, for He gave Paul the rest of the Story! For grace are ye saved through faith, it took faith to save us, now it is not of ourselves, again what is not of ourselves, well let’s see how it works out with regeneration first.

For by Grace are you saved by Faith, and not of yourself because God regenerated you first! Except we have a problem and that problem is identifying the subject of what is not of ourselves and what is the gift. The prepositional phrase “for by grace are you saved” must be considered and the syntax seen. First what is the subject of the verb that is the syntax of the sentence, first identify the verb, we know that “for by” is the prepositions and “grace” is the noun and “you” the pronoun and that leaves saved (salvation) as the verb. The syntax is the subject that the verb conveys correct or incorrect? If it is what this conveys then salvation would be the syntax of verse 8. Correct or incorrect?

Now let’s go further “by Faith,” now what do we have in these two words together?

This is a preposition it is used as a function word and therefore either it carries the following: it is ether a word that, indicates, means, agency or intermediacy, so that Faith is the means of salvation, now we have Salvation is by grace by means of Faith. As we continue we have what probably should be a parenthetic statement (and that not of yourself, what is not of ourselves well the subject of the verb and that is Salvation, there we all agree Salvation is not of ourselves, then we have, “it is the gift of God.” “It” is a pronoun describing the subject. In the verb “is” with the consonant “the” followed by the noun “gift,” followed by the preposition “of” followed by the Noun “God”.

What do have in this prepositional phrase?

Saved (Salvation) the syntax of the verse is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast. We see that the gift of God is salvation by Grace and through Faith. Salvation is the gift of God not Faith in this particular verse.

Now are salvation and regeneration synonymous terms?

Well Salvation means redemption, deliverance while regeneration means renewal, rebirth or revival. So now what do we see Salvation comes by Faith which means, confidence, trust or belief, therefore by grace you have confident expectation by belief, not by regeneration in fact that word is nowhere in this passage. It salvation is the gift of God not of our works so we cannot boast on our works. Faith, belief have the result of salvation. Regeneration is the renewal of Spiritual life. Now when does spiritual life occur?

We see this for the answer:

24 I tell you the solemn truth the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

24 legō hymeis amēn amēn, ho akouō ·ho egō logos ka ipisteuō ho pempō egō echō aiōnios zōē kai erchomai ou erchomai eis krisis,alla metabainō ek ·ho thanatos eis ·ho zōē.

Mounce uses Thantos:

Frequency in New Testament:

120

Morphology of Biblical Greek Tag:

n-2a

Gloss:

death

Definition:

death, the extinction of life, whether naturally, Lk. 2:26; Mk. 9:1; or violently, Mt. 10:21; 15:4; imminent danger of death, 2 Cor. 4:11, 12; 11:23; in NT spiritual death, as opposed to ζωή in its spiritual sense, in respect of a forfeiture of salvation, Jn. 8:51; Rom. 6:16

Now we see the Greek “Thantos” according to Mounce. But again we see that those who believe have passed from “thantos” death to life. Which death do we have here? Spiritual death, it would seem it has to be and how do they pass from spiritual death to life according to Jesus? Through believing the One who sent Jesus, that is the Father, and His witness. Notice again they don’t go from death to life then believe, Jesus stated, quite clearly, that those who believe the One Who sent Him, have passed from death to life, how, by believing that is Faith.

Life regeneration is the effect of believing not the cause of believing.

 

Just posted what Mounce said so he must be wrong.

 

Of course in that same thread it seems John of Japan's view on what I stated aligned with mine. But you failed to notice

 

It seems when you have no way to refute you result to this tactic, as to derail the thread and get it off track. If I posted something that is not right in what Mounce gave them why not shoe where it is incorrect.

 

Your lose

 

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