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What part of being here illegally, which makes them a criminal, are you trying to justify. My distant relatives also immigrated to this country, Legally, then supported themselves and their families. The difference is they were not criminals for entering the country illegally.

You want open borders, just look at the islamic state of Germany. If you want to turn a blind eye to your preferred illegals, then why should anyone be denied access to this country,even if their stated goal is to take over everything about our country and insert their government, laws and religion. I suppose a country like Israel should have an open border policy for their neighbors also.

 

The Constitution That is that old piece of paper that obamo (and his predecessors) and the scotus used for toilet paper, isn't it. I seem to remember something about it having something to do with the governing of the country, but I think that country disappeared several years back

 

Please don't tell me you are naive enough to really think the constitution is valid in this country.

Oh, it is still referred to, but has been phased out to a government were any branch can do whatever it wants. It only works if there is a desire to follow the rules of government which were set up by those called the founding fathers.

Trust me, I wish we still had a valid government run on the principles of the Constitution, but I don't see it, and that is part of the reason Texas or any State can say Adios to the State of America.

 

Yes I read it, unfortunately I didn't understand exactly just how liberal you were until this post.

They are referred to as undocumented by you liberals to try and brainwash the people into forgetting that what they are is illegals. Same as saying fetus instead of baby, or alternate lifestyle, instead of sodomites. Next we will be hearing things like Islam is a religion of peace, and we need to take in a 100,000 or more.
Whatever liberal legal propaganda terms you want to put on it, you said it yourself. It is illegal (a mere misdemeanor) to enter the country without proper documentation.

If you can't be here legally without documentation, why would you be against calling them what they are, and that is in the US illegally

From Post 21 That is true. We need a good guest worker program, and we need to differentiate between those who are in this country illegally but are the parents or spouse of a US person or citizen, and those who are self-supporting and contribute to the US economy and those who are a burden on the economy. Selective deportation is necessary but we need a good basis for that selection process. And for those who qualify we need a fast track to US citizenship.

I read that and what I see is come on in illegally, then when we get around to it we will figure out what to do with you. We do have a system or selection process for immigration, sorry should say legal immigration. Selective deportation, what difference should it make if they own a business or are a gang banger, if they entered illegally. A liberal talking about discriminating against a class of people, what is the world coming to.

I think I covered your selective discrimination, of those in the country illegally, in my prior answer.

Would that have anything about entering the country illegally, then crying about not being treated fairly like the criminals they are.

Seriously with the games. OK, no open border for Israel, but according to your logic if it was applied to them would appear to be, let the undocumented people into your country. If it is stupid for Israel, it is stupid for the US.

I notice you didn't have anything to say about the invasion (can you call it an invasion if you are stupid enough to ask for it) of Germany by those undocumented people

 

And just think, if those southern States had been allowed to leave the Union 600,000+ Americans wouldn't have lost their life fighting each other.

Kevin's simplified version of history

 

Well what you say tells me that according to my definition your opinions are liberal at least on this issue.

Then you get questioned about it, and you want to make threats.

Maybe you have a Church full of illegals who are all nice folks and that is part of the reason you feel the way you do. I on the other hand had to deal directly with those you would selectively deport, on a daily basis. Maybe you have seen both, I know many Hispanic persons, and I don't have a clue if they are here legally or illegally in most cases. The only illegal I know who was deported, was turned in by a Mexican couple who were here legally.

Only big difference I see between us is I say send them all back, and I mean all, not just the Hispanics. I don't care if they came from Scotland, France..etc If they entered illegally send them back

 

I don't know. I wasn't around back then although my body feels like it most of the time.

They knew the result of trying to force them to stay would be war. Maybe letting them go, but stay as allies and trading partners.etc would have been better. Of course the problem with this is the issue of slavery.

I will be honest here and say I do not know enough about the Civil War and the times leading up to it, to really offer anything profound.

 

You probably shouldn't be formulating definitions.

You really like name-calling and trying to pin dishonest labels on people instead of engaging in a mature conversation. That way you don't have to deal with ideas that may challenge your prejudices. While that is popular with supporters of a certain candidate, that is repugnant behavior for an adult.

While I don't always agree with Mr. Cassidy - and we've had a few vigorous exchanges - he is always a gentleman and I try to be the same. That's how adults are supposed to act. Christians are called to an even higher standard.

Those of us who live in Texas who are not Hispanic are quite familiar with the culture. It is family-oriented, generous, and industrious. There are a number of significant exceptions (like with every ethnic group), but the way that some of you folks outside of Texas talk, it is clear you don't have much context for your opinions. To be quite blunt, I never wonder if someone is legal or illegal unless they give me a significant reason to ask the question. My father's family came here after the Civil War, and we are latecomers compared to many of the Anglo families. And the Mexican folks were here LONG before that, since Texas used to be part of Mexico.

Many of my Hispanic friends and acquaintances have roots in Texas going back hundreds of years. As I mentioned before, Anglos are actually an ethnic minority in Texas, and its not because of persons who are in the country illegally.

Yes, I think we've all heard your simplistic and unworkable solution.

 

Is it OK if the Administrator is in the thread Geek

 

Yes, we've noticed.

If you realize you don't know what you're talking about, why do you offer these opinions as if they as God's truth and then claim someone is "liberal" because they do not conform to your ignorance?

 

Texas this, Texas that

If you were referring to Trump, I am not a supporter of his.

Who are you to tell me if I should be formulating definitions. I will form my own definitions when I want, using whatever criteria I chose to use. Thank you very much, advice REJECTED

Reading your comments about me directly or indirectly is just so laughable. Maybe don't judge the book if you haven't even seen the cover.

Just look to CA to see what happens to a State full of illegals, and liberal politics

 

I offered a simple answer to a question, and then acknowledge I was not familiar enough with the subject to get into a deep discussion. If that is "God's truth" in your mind, there is no reason to even talk to you

How does that turn into claiming someone is liberal, and you calling me ignorant. What is with the name calling. Seems like you are just here to hurl insults at me at this time.