Recently the PSA thread was closed. The last post of Martin read as follows:
Was the result of God ransoming mankind the salvation of mankind? No, of course not. What was the result? Christ became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world.
Mankind was purchased, both those saved or to be saved, and those never to be saved. Christ's Substitutionary Sacrifice ransomed, purchased, bought, and set mankind under the New Covenant.
God is not propitiated toward all men, but is propitiated toward those He has put into Christ.
Did anyone claim all men had been redeemed? Nope. More obfuscation.
Does scripture say all mankind has been reconciled? Nope. God is reconciling the world, one sinner at a time when He transfers them into Christ.
Did I "refuse to say" what the criterion is for putting someone in Christ. No. I said over and over If God credits a person's faith in the Truth as righteousness, then He puts them in Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, God has been propitiated toward that individual.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been redeemed.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have come to Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been given to Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been justified.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been made righteous.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been made alive together with Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been predestined to adoption, the redemption of their bodies.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been saved from the penalty of sin, positional sanctification.
Propitiation = means of salvation
Redemption = act of salvation, the transfer into Christ.
Reconciliation = the result of salvation, being at one with God.
If Christ ransomed all mankind, why is all mankind not saved?
If He was purchased all mankind, why is all mankind not purchased for God?
If God is propitiated towards all men, what does He still have against them?
If all men have been redeemed, why is there no redemption for all men?
If God is reconciled to all men, why is there no reconciliation for all sinners?
You are going to say, only those 'placed in Christ' are saved, but you refuse to say what the criterion is for being so placed. Why are those not so placed not purchased, redeemed, ransomed reconciled since you say that all these things have been obtained by Christ for all men?
This seems an effort to obfuscate.If He was purchased all mankind, why is all mankind not purchased for God?
If God is propitiated towards all men, what does He still have against them?
If all men have been redeemed, why is there no redemption for all men?
If God is reconciled to all men, why is there no reconciliation for all sinners?
You are going to say, only those 'placed in Christ' are saved, but you refuse to say what the criterion is for being so placed. Why are those not so placed not purchased, redeemed, ransomed reconciled since you say that all these things have been obtained by Christ for all men?
Was the result of God ransoming mankind the salvation of mankind? No, of course not. What was the result? Christ became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world.
Mankind was purchased, both those saved or to be saved, and those never to be saved. Christ's Substitutionary Sacrifice ransomed, purchased, bought, and set mankind under the New Covenant.
God is not propitiated toward all men, but is propitiated toward those He has put into Christ.
Did anyone claim all men had been redeemed? Nope. More obfuscation.
Does scripture say all mankind has been reconciled? Nope. God is reconciling the world, one sinner at a time when He transfers them into Christ.
Did I "refuse to say" what the criterion is for putting someone in Christ. No. I said over and over If God credits a person's faith in the Truth as righteousness, then He puts them in Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, God has been propitiated toward that individual.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been redeemed.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have come to Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been given to Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been justified.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been made righteous.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been made alive together with Christ.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been predestined to adoption, the redemption of their bodies.
If a person has been put into Christ, they have been saved from the penalty of sin, positional sanctification.
Propitiation = means of salvation
Redemption = act of salvation, the transfer into Christ.
Reconciliation = the result of salvation, being at one with God.