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  1. Zaac

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    7 Things Christians Are Giving Up By Supporting Donald Trump

    Donald Trump is the Presidential candidate of choice for a vast majority for Evangelical Christians, and his support in the American Bible Belt constitutes the lion’s share of his chances in the upcoming election.

    Whether he wins or loses, the impact on American Christianity in the eyes of those outside of the faith will have been tremendous and irreparable. As an entity, it will have lost any moral authority it still made claim to, and it will further confirm for so many beyond its membership that it is not primarily virtue that motivates Christians, but prejudice and privilege.

    Christians who are supporting Donald Trump should do so understanding what they are giving up in exchange.

    The are relinquishing the right to ever again speak with any authority about lots of things:

    1) The “Sanctity of Marriage.” Supporting a candidate currently on marriage number three, one with a documented history of infidelity, flies in the face of the image they’ve cultivated as guardians of the sacred institution of Marriage. Their continued efforts to deny LGBTQ people a single marriage on the basis of protecting supposed God’s ordained one man-one woman standard, ring noticeably hollow as they tolerate Trump’s trinity of ever-younger spouses.

    2) The Bible as moral authority. We Christians love to quote the Bible when it suits us, and no one does it quite like our Evangelical brothers and sisters, who can proof-text just about anything in the twinkling of an eye. Many Bible Belt believers actually worship the Scriptures as Divinity themselves. It is the sole standard by which they judge the veracity and authenticity of one’s faith, and the singular lens they claim to view the world with. The problem is, Donald Trump is Biblically illiterate. His knowledge of the Bible is so woefully pitiful that he wouldn’t be allowed to lead a second grade Bible Study, let alone the country. Speaking of which…

    3) America as a Christian Nation. When they are attempting to influence national public policy or blur the separation between Church and State for their advantage, Evangelicals and Conservative Christians love to evoke the image of America as a “Christian nation” (even though our actual history testifies against this.) Still, any claims that Christ is at the center of our county’s genesis really fly out the window when you elevate a person of Trump’s poor character to its highest position, and affirm that he represent its presence in the world. This may have been a myth all along, but it will be one Christians can throw away for good/.

    4) The idea of protecting women. One of the strongest historic Evangelical narratives has been the antiquated idea that men are the leaders, the heads of the family, the valiant, strong protectors of their women. Still at the heart of so much American Conservative Christianity, is a rigid patriarchal sexism that says that all men want to be respected and all women want to be adored, and that it’s still the Middle Ages with men with swords on horseback and women in stone towers needing rescue. To put one’s support behind Donald Trump, a man such with a well-documented, repeated, and deplorable disregard for women should be a flat-out embarrassment to those claiming women’s safety and security matter at all.

    5) Claiming to be pro-life. Many Christians who identify as pro-life are voting for Donald Trump based on that issue alone, yet Donald Trump is not pro-life. He may have once mentioned being anti-abortion, but this is a far cry from being an advocate for Life in any meaningful way. In fact, with his open racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and his contempt for immigrants and the working poor, Donald Trump has shown contempt for a great swath of Humanity. Advocating for him to preside over all the laws of our country and all of its people, is not a gesture that honors life beyond the most narrow definition of it. It becomes more about politics and semantics than defending the living.

    6) Any talk of “Family Values”. There’s a warm, nostalgic, Norman Rockwellian image of Christianity as caretaker of the American family, one rooted in the 1950’s, where all is as it should be. And while most people have now come to realize that this was simply a sugary facade rooted in patriarchy and racism, one that favored only white men, Evangelicals have held on to the idea that the Church exclusively stands for families in ways that no one else does. There is simply no solid ground to stand on to make this claim while supporting Donald Trump to our highest office. The disconnect is simply too great.

    7) Policing anyone for sinful behavior. One of Evangelicals favorite pastimes is evaluating the conduct of other people and measuring their moral worth accordingly. Celebrity preachers and ordinary pew-sitters like to pull-quote Jesus and demand to see “the fruit” in the lives of others as conformation that they are people of Jesus, that they have sufficiently repented, that they indeed have been born again: the proof is in the pudding. To then rationalize away the orchards of rotten fruit in Donald Trump’s personal and business history by saying “God looks at the heart” and warning those who bring these things up by chastising them “not to judge”, puts them on really shaky ground and gives them zero credibility to ever critique anyone else again.

    Bonus) Talk of “Keeping Christ in Christmas” or complaining about Starbucks cups. Honestly, at the point you’ve elevated Donald Trump to the presidency, is the presence of Jesus really a priority? Let’s all wish everyone “Happy Holidays” and grab an eggnog because Jesus has left the building.

    It may sound like I’m saying that Christians whose personal/spiritual convictions lead them to support and vote for Donald Trump shouldn’t be faithful to those convictions—but I’m really not. In both America and in Christ there is freedom and that’s a beautiful thing.

    I am saying, that Christians need to realize that in doing so, they are losing an audience with an entire generation not steeped in religion, who are seeing the hypocrisy present, who are recognizing the cognitive dissonance at work, and who have no interest in ever being part of it. They are permanently compromising their testimony in the world and making Jesus obsolete.

    To paraphrase a question Jesus asked those who would follow after him, Christians need to ask themselves:

    “What will it profit a Church if it gains the Presidency but loses its soul?”

    Regardless of the outcome of the election, we’re going to find out.

    http://johnpavlovitz.com/2016/11/02/7-things-christians-are-giving-up-by-supporting-donald-trump/
     
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  2. Zaac

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    ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT!!!
     
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    #5 and#7 are the big ones for me.

    I'd also add that Evangelicals who vote for Trump lose the right to quote 2 Chronicles 7:14 when speaking about saving the nation without adding on a conditional clause about conservative Supreme Court justices.

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    Youi do realise that Hilliary Clinton is even WORSE abuser of all of those things though, correct?

    And that if a Chriayian supports her, is supporting a hgodless Democratic agenda, that at its very core Antichrist?
     
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    Proofs please. Are you really defending Trump and his completely amoral life?
     
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    Whatever he did or has/is doing is not nearly as bad as the things Hilliary has been doing, and her agenda and policies if elected are far more against Jesus than his are!
    She would be basically contiuning/expanding the really bad policies of President Obama!
     
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    So you are denying that she would be President Obama redone again?
     
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    No. I don't commend Trump's evil past anymore than my own. We're all sinners. I am commending Trump for turning things around and moving in the right direction. I'm commending him for adopting righteous policies on fiscal and moral issues. I'm not going to be some snob who says "you haven't been righteous long enough." That's not the Christian message nor the Christian faith.

    I judge candidates on direction, not perfection.
     
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    Key thing to me is that we know that Mrs Clinton will push forward her amoral/godless agenda, and just continue destroy the fabric of USA as the currrent President has!
     
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    #4 and #5 are huge. After watching Christians defend bragging about sexual assult and claim that just maybe planned parenthood does some good they have lost all moral ground.
    This election is showing how many evangelical fear Clinton and the Democrats more than they fear the Lord.

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    How can Christians say it is Christian to support a candidate who has:

    • Had at least one affair.
    • Been divorced twice. Is on his third marriage.
    • Called women fat pigs.
    • Had a company that was busted discriminating against minorities.
    • Tweeted anti-African American propaganda made by a white nationalist group.
    • Spent much of his campaign calling his opponents childish names like “Little” Marco, “Crooked” Hillary, “Lyin'” Ted, and “Crazy” Bernie.
    • Belittled Gold Star parents of a fallen American hero.
    • Mocked a man with disabilities.
    • Degraded the war record of Sen. John McCain and all POWs.
    • Called most Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals.
    • Exploited the tragic death of an African American woman in Chicago to claim that’s why black voters will support him.
    • Advocated his belief that men have the right to sexually assault women by grabbing them “by the p—y.”
    • Admitted attempting to have at least one other affair the same year he married his current wife Melania.

    • He’s done all of that — and plenty more — yet millions of people who call themselves “followers of Jesus Christ” support him?

    Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...ourself-a-christian-and-support-donald-trump/
     
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    You do realize that no one has told you to support Hillary Clinton. So why are you bringing her up?
     
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    Because she understands that only Trump stands in the way of Hillary's evil. She's smart. Most Christians understand this.
     
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    WOW. So you admit that he's against Jesus but still seem to be doing everything you can to support him.
    "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters." Matthew 12:30
     
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    Any Christian who thinks like that is just dumb and just like Israel, y'all think a king is what's gonna save you. Pure, unadulterated foolishness already exampled in Scripture.
     
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    Here is Trump agenda, silly. What do you see as anti-Jesus?

    Donald Trump supports:
    • the appointment of conservative Supreme Justices like Scalia and Thomas.
    • (this alone should be enough to sway any evangelical voter)
    • localized education, and the rejection of Common Core.
    • (a strong 10th Amendment stance)
    • school choice, including the choice to homeschool.
    • a tax plan that includes a 15% corporate tax rate.
    • (endorsed by most Reagan economists)
    • a secure border, which includes a border wall to help border agents.
    • the deportation of all illegal aliens, forcing them to enter, or reenter, the country legally.
    • strong gun rights.
    • a strong military, and increased military spending.
    • better treatment of our military vets.
    • the destruction of ISIS.
    • the blocking of immigrants who support Sharia Law (Islamic law), until we can figure out a better way to vet the extremists among them.
    • smart defense agreements with allies, requiring them to pay their fair share for our military services.
    • the destruction of bad trade agreements, like TPP, which take away american jobs.
    • the repealing and replacing of ObamaCare.
    • pro-capitalistic alternatives to ObamaCare such as medical savings accounts.
    • the rejection of Global Warming extremism.
     
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    They can say it because their brand of Christianity has everything to do with their politics and nothing to do with Christ.
     
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    Man, you and your foolishness aren't even worth the time of responding. Like I've said a thousand times if one. Y'all conveniently turn a blind eye to his wickedness and try to make excuses to justify why you can support him while calling Hillary Clinton immoral.

    The lot of ya have no credibility whatsoever.
     
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