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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by revmwc, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. MB

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    Excuse me where in the Bible does it say the above underline statement of yours?

    What about the patient waiting for Christ? If the patient is waiting for Christ he must not yet have Christ.
    You see Christ lives within me so I must recognize that waiting for Him means this patient doesn't have Christ as yet.
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    You should be able to prove the last part underlined. Scripture please?
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    Romans 8:7
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
     
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    Romans 8:7
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
     
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    I have more if you'd like :)
     
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    Wow, so much error in so few words.

    "Patient" means "to wait without being anxious." It does not mean "a guy in the hospital."

    And the believer is waiting patiently for the promised return of Christ.
     
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    That is the carnal mind. When the mind thinks of things being carnal it is carnal. Yet when the mind thinks of God it is spiritual. Sinners think about God when they are told about God, or else they would never come to Him. One must Believe in God in order to be saved. No one is saved with out faith and that comes by hearing.
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    You still haven't proved anything. Give me all you have and I'll do the same.
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    No sir, that's not what it is saying...keep it in context with all of Romans 8...

    Romans 8:8-9
    So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    You have to keep reading my friend :)

    Let's get past this and i'll keep sending
     
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    Romans 5:10
    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    We, as unbelievers, were GOD HATERS, not God Lovers.
     
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    Colossians 1:21

    And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.
     
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    1 John 4:10

    Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
     
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    1 John 4:19

    We love him, because he first loved us.
     
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    2 Thessalonians 3:5
    And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
    If a man is waiting for Christ he does not have Him. Let alone He does not have Christ. if the Lord is directing his heart towards loving Him. To my mind a saved person can't help but Love God with all his heart.He would also have Christ already. My original question still stands.
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    Asked and answered. "The believer is waiting patiently for the promised return of Christ."
     
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    True He did can't argue this one
    You also stated

    Praise God for this Yet it doesn't say we cannot Love God and still be a sinner does it? Which is your claim.
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    Wow, i would have never thought that was a "Hospital patient". i'm glad you picked up on this
     
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    It does not say that. It says he is waiting for Christ. In other words Men believe before they are saved. Not made to believe after being saved.
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    Only the New Creation Can Love God

    Only the New Creation has Christ as His Master...

    Matthew 6:24

    No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other;

    We LOVED THE WORLD as unbelievers. Therefore we were God haters, unable to love him. Why?

    We had ONE nature that loved sin, not God.

    Now we have a new nature...

    2 Corinthians 5:17
     
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    This is altogether confusing.

    Yes, People are saved after believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

    They are Patiently Waiting His return, those that are already saved.
     
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