Featured The connection between: Loving Jesus—Obedience—Eternal Life

First thing Satan taught was ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

Genesis 3

3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’” 4The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”.





The minute you sin your salvation is lost




Philippians 3


12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you; 16however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained.
17Brethren, join in following my example, and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. 18For many walk, of whom I often told you, and now tell you even weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, 19whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things





Paul tells us he presses forward for salvation and doesn't claim to have laid hold of it.
Because its obvious to PAUL as with anyone with common sense those who are saved are PERFECT. "Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect"
There is no sin in heaven.


He also weeps for those who walked the path but are now enemies of the cross whose end is destruction.

Suppose we switched the agreement that he weeps all the unbelievers in the world.

(those who never had it)

That would pose a even greater dilemma in that its OBVIOUS that doing GOOD WORKS --> walking the path helps them get on board with the correct faith.

So its as matter of pick your poison. Either Paul who weeping because the destruction that came over those "once saved" who are fallen from not following the pattern and pressing on the path set for them.

OR

Paul is weeping for those "who never had it it" Because the only way to GET IT is the PATH, PRESSING FOWARD and following the pattern that leads to PERFECTION.


If you challenge this. SIMPLY tell us why is Paul weeping?

 

The Calvinist version of my last post is:

Paul is weeping for reprobates is a sin. God does not love reprobates so neither should Paul be weeping for these who walked the path are now fallen and heading for destruction.

Why is Paul weeping?

 

We are NEVER commanded/exhorted to keep your salvation, but are to keep maturing in Christ!
We can lose eternal rewards, but not eternal life!

 

Paul isn't "pressing on for salvation", he is pressing on for "sanctification", maturing into Christ. He's not perfect, but he is striving to be.


Philippians 3:12-16 Not that I have already attained this – that is, I have not already been perfected – but I strive to lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus also laid hold of me.
Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself to have attained this. Instead I am single-minded: Forgetting the things that are behind and reaching out for the things that are ahead,
with this goal in mind, I strive toward the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Therefore let those of us who are “perfect” embrace this point of view. If you think otherwise, God will reveal to you the error of your ways.
Nevertheless, let us live up to the standard that we have already attained.

 

You seem to not understand the "in workings of Eternal Life"

The reason you have eternal life is because you have the Son of the Living God Born in You--Galatians 2:20

The Incorruptible Word has been planted in you and has produced Life within You...This is an IRREVERSIBLE reality.

It's the Picture of a Caterpillar turning into a butterfly, never to be a caterpillar again! You have been Transformed.

Christ doesn't leave you--"I will never leave you nor forsake you."

You have been "regenerated", not by works of righteousness that we have done, but by the Mercy of God--Titus 3

Regenerated literally means to be a new creation--a Child of God--Do you think God will Send His Child to Hell? You have a TERRIBLE view of who God is.

Those who are overcomers will enter into God's Presence for all eternity, what does the Word say about that?

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John 5:5
Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

This is What John Says about "Practicing sin"...

1 John 3:9
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God's seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Samuels, it appears you haven't put the pieces of the puzzle together yet.

 

Yea, it says the "UNBELIEVING" will not enter His presence but will go to the lake of fire...

 

All this is absolutely true. 1 John 3:3. 'Everyone who has this hope [salvation] in Him purifies himself.' If everyone who has the hope purifies himself, how many are there who have the hope who do not purify themselves? Think about it for a moment and then answer. That's right! None! No one at all!
So if we see someone who claims to be born again but is habitually sinning, what do we say? Right again! He's deceiving himself. 'Whoever has been born of God does not [habitually] sin, for His seed remains in Him and He cannot [habitually] sin because he has been born of God' (1 John 3:9). So if someone does habitually sin, what do we know about him? Right again! He is not born of God.

Man in himself does not have eternal life (Genesis 3:19).

As Annsni has shown you, Rev. 21:7-8 says nothing of the sort, and as I have shown you from the word of God, if anyone chooses to sin habitually he is not born again.

 

Rean born again believers will not live always in habitual sinning... Any who keeps on always sinning never has been saved!

 

Yeshuah meet Satan. Believer, Perfect, Blameless, anointed by God, most exalted angel of all. FALLEN.

1 timothy 5

8But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

A unbeliever is a bad.....whats worst then a unbeliever. HINT: its not a unbeliever.

Catching a cold is bad! whats worst then catching a cold? Hint: its not catching a cold.





Hebrews 10

26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Well we know unbelievers go to hell. So tell us what is this SEVERER PUNISHMENT, A WORST PUNISHMENT of a FURY OF FIRE that will consume them.






Matthew 5

29“If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30“If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.


^FOR WHO IS THIS ADVICE FOR that Jesus is speaking?

Its not for the unsaved fellah! cause you swear he can't DO anything and the ball is God's court not the sinner's.

Its not for the SAVED Fellah! Cause ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED!

Its not for Calvinist, Because its saying its the mortal's option to go to hell or not.

Its not for FAITH ALONE, Because there would be no need to cut anything.


WHO IS THIS ADVICE FOR PEOPLE!? THINK!

 

Jesus did for ALL of my sins, so would unbelief be included among all sins then?

 

All sins.


1 john 2

1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.


John still tells you not to sin. If he was of your theology he would never say you have to stop sinning. I'm telling you, YOU have to stop sinning.


Imagine your here, "well john I don't have to stop sinning, didn't Jesus die for all my sins?"


He's going to think you are crazy......He just told you THE REASON he is writing these things is so you may not sin!

If you had an excuse for sinning, When Jesus died for all sins, that excuse is GONE.



This gets echoed in Romans 6

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?


Gee Paul is it ok for me to sin since I'm under grace and not the law? May it never be!

What you want PAUL is against. Your saying the same thing. That its ok to sin because your under grace.

He says NO. I say no, bible says no, Jesus says no, john says no. DO NOT SIN.

When are you going to tell people not to sin?




Luke 20

9And He began to tell the people this parable: “A man planted a vineyard and rented it out to vine-growers, and went on a journey for a long time. 10“At the harvest time he sent a slave to the vine-growers, so that they would give him some of the produce of the vineyard; but the vine-growers beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11“And he proceeded to send another slave; and they beat him also and treated him shamefully and sent him away empty-handed. 12“And he proceeded to send a third; and this one also they wounded and cast out. 13“The owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.’ 14“But when the vine-growers saw him, they reasoned with one another, saying, ‘This is the heir; let us kill him so that the inheritance will be ours.’ 15“So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. What, then, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16“He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others.” When they heard it, they said, “May it never be!”


Those vine growers are not unbelievers. They are inheritors and they know it. And they sin, hows it end their stuff goes to others.






I'm not saying God keeps score of good things and weighs whether you made enough to enter heaven.

I'm saying there IS NO SIN IN HEAVEN. We can debate when, how and why. Fact remains there is no SIN in heaven.

See if YOU stop sinning there is true repentance, If God has to flick a switch to stop your sinning there is no repentance or forgiveness.

Jesus Christ did not make sin a paid perk.


If you told your child your not going to send them to jail or punish them for smashing their own hand with a hammer the punishment isn't the problem its the sin that's the problem.

 

It's not always so cut and dry...Disobedience can also mean OUT OF FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD.

Moses disobeyed God, did he die and go to hell? He appeared before Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, so all signs point to no.

There is a reality that one may be Positionally Right with God but relationally out of Sorts with God. This is clearly a theme throughout all scripture.

 

Now you know why Christ said HE will separate the Wheat from the tares