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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Jan 6, 2017.

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  1. Samuels

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    This reveals who you are, doesn't it.
    Please, endeavor to get with God's Program.
     
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    Yes, at the very best ... IF he/she sincerely repents before death, all will be well.
    At the very worst, God will have given up on him/her before death arrives.
     
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    thelost were those mentioned there, not the saved, as we cannot stop sinningfully in this life, but praise God, Jesus died so that I did not have to do that in order to merit salvation!
     
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    Any verses tha state that either God will give up on His own, orthat we must stop all sinning?
     
    #44 Yeshua1, Jan 12, 2017
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    Yeshua, name any living person on earth that has the Christian faith right and go check with them.

    You are dead wrong here. Sinning will not happen in heaven.

    Ask your pastor on this one, there is no sin in heaven.


    "thelost were those mentioned there, not the saved, as we cannot stop sinningfully in this life"


    So your saying we should teach "THE LOST" that good works save them.

    Give us the name of any person who knows Christianity better or equally then you do.

    Bet they don't believe there is sinning in heaven. You had to twist one answer to fit another.
     
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    We agree that there is no sinning in Heaven, bu tthe Bible NEVER states that God requires us to stop sinning in order to get there!
     
    #46 Yeshua1, Jan 12, 2017
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    Sin doesn't stop at heaven. It says SIN has to stop for you to get in.

    that's why it says "NOTHING UNPURE CAN ENTER".


    Revelation 21

    27and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.


    Look at what you say "Bible NEVER states that God requires us to stop sinning in order to get there"

    The scripture I just put up says exactly the opposite.


    Jesus even says sin doesn't enter.

    Mark 9

    . 43“If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,


    Now you might say to yourself "Well I'm saved, I don't have to cut anything off" Well then you still have to admit this is the prescription for those who are not saved is the good works of cutting off the evil.
     
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    God accepts me in he beloved. Jesus only. and not due to if I still sin or not!
     
    #48 Yeshua1, Jan 13, 2017
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    Okay, you're forgiven for messing up on one word.
    No one merits eternal life ... it is an absolutely free gift.
    Grace means "unmerited favor".

    However, dozens of NT verses warn of falling away from the faith, etc.
    ... all of which are referring to actually losing eternal life.
    And in some cases, believers are warned of gaining eternal death.

    I am still in a bit of a quandary about ...
    Can a believer understand a NT Truth on his/her own,
    OR must he/she be given a spiritual revelation about it?

    A warning:
    IMO, the Holy Spirit at some point stops with the deep revelations
    with believers who are NOT open to receiving new spiritual Truths!
    It's not good to have strong pre-conceived biases, doctrines, etc.
    and to not be OPEN to the Holy Spirit to receive corrections,
    additions, deeper revelations, etc. ... For everyone's benefit,
    I'm only talking about those which can be shown in Scripture.
     
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    Ther are NO NT verses that support a true beliver losing eternal life, and are you referring tote deeper doctrines as from a charasmatic?
     
    #50 Yeshua1, Jan 14, 2017
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    You may choose to believe that the 100+ warning verses are only for the unsaved.
    This is your prerogative ... since you have been given free-will.

    I would offend many, IF I were to say that those having the baptism with the Holy Spirit
    are much more likely to receive DEEPER spiritual Truths compared to other believers.
    But, is it okay with you IF Jesus were to choose to ANOINT some believers
    with extra spiritual "powers" for some special job within the body of Christ?
    Please, you will need to put aside your hatred of the AOG (who are not perfect),
    and the doctrines they taught you.
     
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    I doi not hate them, nor their doctrins on the Spirit knowthat they were wrong! as all have bee given same annoiting from the Spirit to know te truth sof te Bible, to live for God, and there is NO extra/special revelations nor anything else the HS is giving now apart from what ALL believers will get!
     
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    you are asking him to post scripture:Roflmao:Cautious
     
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    Y1,

    [doi doctrins bee annoitingte sof te tote bu thouhh b orde Contax]


    Its hard to say:Wink:Sick:Cautious
     
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    The Yeshua will be offended that you are writing in tongues.
    Please try to keep it as far away from the NT churches as possible.
    Thanks.
     
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    Do you have any NT verses that support a second act of grace, of the Spirit? Any to support that we must do signs and wonders to be preaching real ad full Gospel?
     
    #56 Yeshua1, Jan 17, 2017
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    Why are you asking him to provide scripture?
     
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    In order to see where he is getting those strange notions from, as not in the Bible, maybe from phophecy or a word of knowledg so called
     
    #58 Yeshua1, Jan 17, 2017
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    Acts has many ... and you have seen the whole Scriptural proof previously.
    Nothing about we must do them, but Paul said he did them in presenting the full gospel.

    It's much easier to hide in Baptist churches than in Pentecostal ones, agreed?

    IMO, every member of the 5-fold ministry (Ephesians 4:11) in the NT churches:
    -- had the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of tongues
    -- had one or more of the 9 spiritual power gifts (1 Corinthians 12)

    However, Satan said these goodies were NOT necessary after that which is perfect has come.
    Which was not when the Scriptures came, but when Jesus will come back!
    Pretty much all of the denominations have finally figured this out.

    Sad, sad situation indeed. But, what can one expect when ...
    Satan is "the god/ruler of this world/age" (John 12:31, 2 Corinthians 4:4)?
     
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    There are NO passages hat support hat the sign gifts continued after te Apostolic Age, nor that there were any Prophets/Apostles after Acts, so you are left with charasmtic chaos theology!
     
    #60 Yeshua1, Jan 18, 2017
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