Featured The word wine does not mean alcoholic always.

Many lexicons and dictionaries will say that the word wine in english and oinos in greek. means alcohol. However..Did you know..? in 1869 Thomas Welch a Methodist lay preacher invented a juice pasteurization process to keep juice from fermenting. He sold it as "Dr. Welchs unfermented Wine", also ancient writers Pliny, Plutarch, Horace (Ancient Greek and Roman writers) used the word wine and said that the best wine was "harmless and innocent" and "unadulterated". I think Aristotle even used the word wine to refer to grape juice, also in the Bible in Isaiah 16:10 and a few others places the word wine is used in reference to grape juice.

Also just now making this thread I found this from
http://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2008/04-10b.html :

"It is important to note that the Hebrew word tirosh, "grape juice, unfermented wine," appearing 38 times in the Old Testament (Harris, "tirosh," Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, 2:969), is almost exclusively translated by oinos (36 times). In other words, oinos can and does refer to either unfermented or fermented wine in the Septuagint."

I think it's obvious that the word wine can either mean alcoholic or non alcoholic fruit of the vine. This would explain why in some passages in the word of God it seems that wine is spoken of in a good light, that it "cheers the heart of man", and why other passages say not even to look at wine when it is red, and that wine is a mocker.

 

Wow. So much of this is just simple assumption, there are biblical examples where the word yayin refers to grape juice, you stating that it is always fermented is just simply not true. So yes we can go to the bible itself to prove that words in the bible translated wine do not always mean alcohol.

you mentioned that gleukos means grape juice... so are you leading us to believe that they thought the apostles were full of grape juice? ironic because Strong even give a definition for gleukos that says "but used of the more saccharine (and therefore highly inebriating) fermented wine...

Even gleukos can obviously mean alcohol from the very verse you posted, why is it so hard for you to admit that the word oinos might also have the option of being fermented or unfermented.

Just because you post examples in the NT and the O.T. where Yayin and Oinos is used to refer to alcoholic drink, that does not prove that every time those words are used that they are alcoholic. There are passages that use the word Yayin that are obviously not alcoholic, and the word oinos in the seputagint is used to translate yayin.

As to others talking about how wine cheers the heart of man, I can tell you something I went to wallmart a while ago and bought some 100 percent juice from welches, and it was the 100 percent stuff, not the syrup concentrate with added water, and I tell you it cheered my heart because the quality of the juice was way better, it ruined the normal welch's juice for me.

There are just so many assumptions made about these words and really all you are doing is building a strawman and beating it down, I do not claim that yayin or oinos only means unfermented juice, so you can post examples where those words are alcohol and all you are doing is beating down your own strawman that you have set up.

How about showing us in Isaiah 16:10:
10 And gladness is taken away, and joy out of the plentiful field; and in the vineyards there shall be no singing, neither shall there be shouting: the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses; I have made their vintage shouting to cease.

Are we to believe that alcoholic wine is what comes straight out of the press?

or how about here?

Nehemiah 13:15 In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.

1 Chronicles 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.