AndThisGospel
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I thought that I was to be ignored? Can't stay away, huh? The truth that I am presenting is bugging your conscience....That's why you can't stay away. The truth is irresistible.
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Who is the "us" Paul refers to? Is it the entire human race?
Ephesians 1:3-6
[3]All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ.
[4]Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.
[5]God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.
[6]So we praise God for the glorious grace he has poured out on us who belong to his dear Son.
Thanks for adding your interpretation into the text, but I prefer the context to determine the interpretation.
In light of Jesus conversation with Nicodemus from verse 1 through verse 21 it becomes obvious that your interpretation is incorrect.
You repeat your belief that everyone is born saved (with sight), but some reject that salvation (prefer to gouge their eyes out and live a blind life). Your repeated error does not and will not become truth no matter how many times you repeat it.
[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]I thought that I was to be ignored? Can't stay away, huh? The truth that I am presenting is bugging your conscience....That's why you can't stay away. The truth is irresistible.
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"In Christ" is the truth of what God did by uniting the fallen Adamic race to Christ's Divinity. "In Christ" all mankind is a new creation. We are complete "in Him"
"Saved with sight" in your lying statement, not mine. Get it right....
Cute, but death of jesus provided actual salvation for those whom he died for, His own elect!Provisional atonement is an Arminianistic concept, not Calvinistic....You must be hybrid of both?
You didn't answer the question. Who is the "us" Paul refers to?
I know why you can't/won't answer.
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"For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died."
All means all.
I wish that you would stop presenting this egotistical, self-glorying gospel in which God chooses folks like yourself, but others have no chance. It's getting sickening....It stinks with self and sin.
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All the Bible is written to believers, but within the Bible is the gospel. The gospel, which is foreign to you, is how Christ took the Adamic, fallen race and legally saved it from the curse of the law "in Christ Jesus". Oh, but if you had eyes to see and ears to hear....
Who are you talking to?
Christ saved those whom the Father wills by fulfilling the requirements of the law on our behalf.
Did Christ fulfill the requirements of the law for all humanity?
If he did, then you are a universalist. If he didn't then you believe in limited atonement. Which is it?
It wasn't a wise crack. It was a question. I have asked you several times if you limit the atonement in any way, and you have refused to answer my question.
You post verses of scripture which support a limited atonement but never answer the question.
if Jesus actually died for all sinners, what is the difference between saved and lost?
And Jesus said that ONLY His sheep know Him , as those are the ones he knows and knows Him, why not all sinners?
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Well when you pray the OUR FATHER, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
That will includes the Calvinist wanting people to rape children, murder people, terrorism "for God's Glory".
God wills all evil to happen.
This is what Calvinism is trying to sell me here:
Look you have Adam and Eve. Not totally depraved, Have free will.
They sin. huh?
So God punishes and curses Adam and Eve with punishes and curses.
God gets SO angry with Mankind over their sin........He takes away mankind's ability to do anything good!
You think you can find that tiny, tiny, semi-important detail? Show us the bible verse......God is so angry he takes away your ability to do good.
Cain and Abel.
Is CAIN Elect?
Genesis 4
6Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7“If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”
You guys didn't give God a copy of doctrines of grace?
1 john 3
11For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; 12not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother’s were righteous.
Why does God question a reprobate? Why is God warning a reprobate he plans for hell?
Why does God say Cain must MASTER SIN? He doesn't have the ability.
God took the ability to do good where?
Exhibit A: Horrible Exegesis
Horrible is a severe understatement......Its like listening to one of Trumps rambling, unintelligible & arrogant speeches.
Comparing utilyan to the Oompa Loompa...nice. [emoji56] [emoji109]
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No one but Christ, as the Son of Man, has experienced the 2nd death: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us" Gal 3:13
There is no eternal burning hell. That's nonsense...no it's pagan. If the justice for sin is eternal torment than Jesus would be burning forever because He took our curse. Not only this, but the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment.
The saved have accepted Christ's finished work....The lost reject Him and their need of His righteousness. That's the diff...
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