Featured Forsaken in Matthew 27:46

I NEVER stated that Jesus ceased to be God, that the Spirit departed from Him, but the scriptures do show to us that he experienced ALL things as the sin bearer on the Cross that sinners will in Hell, but He did it for those 3 hours, and then it was accomplished!

The father had to turn His back for that time, as God cannot be tolerating sin in His presense!

 

Jesus did not go to the literal Hell, but in His humanity did feel as if he had while on the Cross!

 

Jon seems to be stating that in as he understands this, that being forsaken by God would mean that the Spirit departed from Him, and that he died in a different sense that we would see it?
Forsaken by God only for those 3 hours, never ceased being god, Spirit never departed Him, but did suffer in His humanity a sa sinner will under wrath of God!

 

That is because the scriptures show to us examples of Him operating in His Deity, and othertimes in His humanity!

 

Jesus never separated from the father in sense broke Relationship, as always was/is God, but His humanity suffered break in His perfect fellowship with Father!

 

Thanks for clarification...
I am getting His Puritan Theology, so maybe will explore his views more in detail now!

 

Jesus knew the thoughts of all men, Jesus walked on water, commanded the storm, but also was weak, tired, and hurt!

 

Since you like Dr Carson, and he is a good calvinist author, have you oicked up the Zondervan Niv Study bible, as he was general editor for it?

 

He was both God and man, and he knew all thoughts, could heal, do miracles, because he was/is God also!

 

Jesus was still able to function though as fully God when he choose to?

 

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isa 53:6

But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. Isa 59:2

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matt 27:45
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. Luke 23:46

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matt 12:40

On the morrow after the weekly Sabbath following the Passover on the 14 day of the first month.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17

Did the Son commune with the Father during those three days and three nights?

Why three days of Christ being dead? And be raised after three days or the third day, why three?
BTW I am asking not having a sure answer other than maybe prophesy yet I don't think just prophesy is the correct answer. I think it has something to do with being made pure/clean.

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. Lev 23:10,11

 

My problem is that when I think we are in agreement, you say something (as in the Calvinism/Arminianism thread) which makes me realise that we are not. You have objected furiously in the past to any suggestion that Christ was 'abandoned.' We argued uphill and down dale over that last year. Then you have posted quotes in which both Beeke and Piper say he was abandoned. "Great!" I think; "we've got agreement," but now you seem to be presenting that abandonment as nothing greater than a communication failure.

Christ was made sin (2 Corinthians 5:21). [The suggestion that He was made a sin offering fails, if no other way, to John 3:14. The brazen serpent is a figure of sin, not a sin offering] God's wrath against sin was poured out full-strength against sin upon Christ. That included separation from the Father. Exactly how that worked I don't know; I only know that it was so. The Trinity was not broken up (silly suggestion), nor was the Spirit withdrawn from Him (I have never suggested such a thing), but He experienced absolutely the abandonment of the Father, as both Piper and Beeke agree.

God the Father departed absolutely. "O My God, I cry in the daytime but You do not hear; and in the night season and am not silent." That completely close relationship that had existed between Father and Son from eternity past was severed. The Christ felt Himself to be utterly abandoned, and He hung desolate upon the cross in the darkness, in terrible agony, with the Jews mocking Him and taunting Him. This was Him experiencing hell on our account, and if He did not do so on your behalf and on mine, we must experience it for ourselves.

I have re-stated my understanding above. You can agree or disagree from there.

 

It was not the separation of the 'second death' because it was not permanent, but the pain and the desertion felt by the Christ was the same. It was, for those three or four hours, a complete separation, 'for one part of the punishment is loss of the divine presence.' There was no point, in those hours, when the Father whispered to Him, "Don't worry! I'm still here." That is not to say that the Father ceased to love the Son- not at all!-, but judicially, He was condemned to all the penalties of hell.