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You know it's sad when Gods people get into a so called gray area they will lean to the left. They will look for ways to approve their inappropriate behaviors instead of trying to live a Holy life I truly believe there are many versus in Gods word that a Christian should abstain from alcohol.

Adrian Rogers (AD 1931-2005) was the well-known pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church, Cordova, Tennessee. He was three times elected president of the Southern Baptist Convention and was a leader in the SBC Conservative Resurgence. His radio, TV, book ministry has reached around the world and continues today. He is one of the best for young, and not so young preachers, to learn from today. Get his books and listen to his sermons.

What did Adrian Rogers believe about alcohol, drinking, wine?
Some of his quotes are below.

“The most dangerous drug in America is beverage alcohol. Number one because of it’s acceptance. Number two, because of it’s availability. Number three, because of the effect that it has upon our hearts and our lives and the misery that it brings.”

“The Bible uses the word wine in two difference senses. The word wine may mean that which may intoxicate you, or it may mean that which may not intoxicate you. The word wine in the Bible may refer to that which is fermented, or that which is not fermented; that which has alcoholic content or that which does not have alcoholic content.”

“God says not to look on it, but to the contrary, we are to shun it when it is fermented (Proverbs 23:31).”

“When a bunch of grapes are hanging on the vine, it’s called wine (Isaiah 65:8).”

“They knew how to check the fermentation of grape juice.”

On the Old Testament Hebrew word for wine, “Yayin may mean that which intoxicates, or that which does not intoxicate (Isaiah 16:10; Proverbs 20:1).”
“The word yayin is a generic word.”

“You are going to have to find out from the context, where the Bible says wine, whether it means that which is intoxicating or whether it isn’t.”

On the New Testament Greek word for wine, oinos. “That too may mean that which is intoxicating or that which is not intoxicating.”

“When you read the word wine in the New Testament, you can only know by the context whether or not it means that which can make you drunk. It does not always mean that which will make you drunk. It frequently means that which is not intoxicating.”

“Did Jesus turn water into wine? Jesus turned water into oinos. Is that the kind of drink that would make a person drunk? Of course not!”
“Do you think Jesus had anything to do with making people drunk? If you do, you don’t know the Jesus that I know.”

“Didn’t Jesus serve wine at the Lord’s Supper? No!”

“Time magazine said alcohol is involved in one half of all murders.”

“Have you ever stopped to think what the word intoxicated means? It means you have toxins put in.”
“When a man is intoxicated he has poisoned himself.”

“Liquor and immorality go together.”
“Liquor removes the inhibitions.”

“Moderation is not the answer to the liquor problem, in most cases it’s the cause of it.”
“It is the moderate drinker that encourages other people to drink.”
“You may be very surprised at who you may hurt with your ability to hold your liquor.”

“The position of a man, woman, boy or girl ought to be total abstinence.”
“If you don’t drink, don’t start!”

“These Scriptures (Proverbs 20:1; 23:29-35) tell us, I believe plainly and clearly, that the Christian’s position, so far as beverage alcohol is concerned, is total abstinence.” -Adrian Rogers (AD 1931-2005), pastor, author,[/QUOTE]

 

Let these words sink in
1 Corinthians 10:21-23

21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

31. Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

 

How are you going to excuse verse 31 then

 

I'm sorry Still learning please have patience with your new members

 

I didn't Call anyone out by name

 

I already answered this question on abstinence. Here it is a second time
Proverbs 23:29-35
29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

 

Well, I haven't bitten anyone recently!
I will only say that the earliest Particular Baptists (Spilsbury, Kiffin et al) were covenantal in their theology.

 

Have you seen the book Holding Communion Together by Reformed Baptist historian Tom Chantry? It traces the Particular Baptists from the seventeenth to twenty-first centuries.

Here is an article by that Reformed Baptist historian Tom Chantry that explains a bit:

Defining “Reformed Baptist”

"at Westminster Seminary in the early 1960s....the name “Reformed Baptist” first arose. These Baptists were well aware that the writers of their confession had been called “Particular Baptists.” However, this name did not appeal for a number of reasons. Language changes, and “particular” has come to suggest someone who is needlessly precise...Furthermore, they desired to avoid identification with...Hardshells".

"these men were struck by the great similarities between Presbyterian and Particular Baptist doctrine and practice. Sensing that they had much in common with Reformed Christianity, they adopted the name 'Reformed Baptist.'"

 

Proverbs chapter 18 doesn't prove I'm wrong on abstinence of alcohol

 

I read it. I'm sorry I just don't see it. Would you be kind enough to show me

 

I just had a conversation with a co-worker and he said that this verse is talking about drunkenness as well. The conversation with my co-worker reminded me of this thread

TC you stated
They that tarry long at the wine;
they that go to seek mixed wine" you would have noticed it is drunkeness (tarrying long and going to seek) that is being condemned.

The next verse says 31. Look not thou upon the wine

If we are not to tarry long or seek mixed wine. Verse 31 is saying not to even look at it. Am I taking this simple verse out of context?

 

And most Reformed Baptist churches consider Dispensationalism to be a great error. So what will it be? Pistols or swords at dawn? LOL


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