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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by rockytopva, Apr 15, 2017.

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  1. rockytopva

    rockytopva Well-Known Member
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    I met a lady at work who I thought was right for me. She is a Baptist girl and thinks she is saved... But the more that girl talked.... Come to find out she does not see anything wrong with the partying life or to have sex with different partners.

    One day I confronted her with this and said, "You know I do not believe you can do those things and go to heaven."

    She looks at me and say, "Are you trying to threaten my salvation?"

    I thought to myself that she had been indoctrinated with the Calvin guy just enough that it is dangerous to her soul.
     
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    How do you know she is a Calvinist?

    And how does believing that God changes the heart of the redeemed, gives us a new love for Him and a new hatred for sin, become a danger to her soul?
     
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    I really doubt calvin would agree with her lifestyle choices!
     
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    Calvin would not condone that ungodly behavior, IMO.
     
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    I have worked many years at a large factory making samples and as a lab technician. Most of the older Baptists I know who are now over 60 behave like Christians and it has been a delight to have known them. I can look into their character and find good things. I have no problems with them saying they are Christian.

    Most Baptist under 60 years old that I know don't mind mixed sexual relationships, drinking, and to go to the nightclubs. Which makes me think again that this is indeed the Laodicean church age and for us to beware of the perils of the times and the seasons.
     
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    I think the once saved always saved doctrine can be a dangerous thing for this generation. To repeat the above post...

    "I have worked many years at a large factory making samples and as a lab technician. Most of the older Baptists I know who are now over 60 behave like Christians and it has been a delight to have known them. I can look into their character and find good things. I have no problems with them saying they are Christian."

    To these I believe that they are indeed eternally secure. I find nothing in their character to suggest otherwise. And to repeat the above post...

    "Most Baptist under 60 years old that I know don't mind mixed sexual relationships, drinking, and to go to the nightclubs. Which makes me think again that this is indeed the Laodicean church age and for us to beware of the perils of the times and the seasons."

    To this bunch the OSAS doctrine is dangerous as it is obvious that Christ has not formed within the character.
     
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    So the question I would have is, "At what point can we declare someone eternally saved?"

    "My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you," - Galatians 4:19

    My answer would be the moment Christ is formed within the character.
     
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    Assuming your one verse is the basis for thinking you can lose your salvation, tell us when you think you can tell us you are saved from sin and death? When will the blood of Christ be sufficient?
    How do you know Christ is formed in your character?
     
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    So, believing God is dangerous? How? Eternal life is, well, eternal. If you had it on Sunday and lost it on Monday it was not eternal. We are saved by Grace (Eph 2:8) and we are kept by Grace (Jude 1).

    That is not dangerous. That is Salvation!
     
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    1. We can't.
    2. It is not our job.
    3. God alone knows.
    4. He is God.
    5. We are not.
     
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    Christ was sinlessly perfect. Must we be too before "Christ is formed within the character?" If not where do we draw the line. And who is qualified to judge another?
     
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    Lordship salvation?
     
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    Jesus was great at parties! Turned water into the best wine! Loved sinners n ate n drank with them. Told the Pharisee's the prostitutes etc were likely to enter heaven before them. I understood it to be that we are saved simply by believing on His Name. Not by demonstrating moral integrity etc.
     
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    While there might be some truth in your statements, i'd be careful to consider how an unbelieving world would perceive your comments.
     
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    Demonstrating moral integrity is the result of salvation, not the cause of it.
     
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    In which I create another thread...

    AN EPISTLE TO ALL THE SLOTHFUL AND CARELESS PEOPLE
     
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    [Personal attack edited] You judge whether someone is saved based on their works rather than their beliefs. Maybe she was as unsaved [Personal attack edited] but we cannot tell by what you stated here. You don't even state anything about what she believed.

    Really you are an [Personal attack edited].
     
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    Love covers a multitude of sins. In fact, God's love covers all of our sins. If we judge, He will use our measuring rod on ourselves. Do we want that or God's mercy and unconditional love?
     
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    Can we just start saying "bleep" instead of [Personal attack edited]? Or how about #$!& as shorthand?
     
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    Sounds judgmental there, Mr Davis.
     
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