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I listen to him when I can between jobs and on the way home, and he has publicly made it clear he has not left the faith.

I like to listen to Hank because I just love Bible questions, and it gives me a chance to compare his answers with how I would answer. I have actually called him but he will not let someone speak much if they are not adoring, lol. Called him about Regeneration and his response (after he hung up on me) was pretty outrageous.

However, it seems pretty apparent that Hank is a sincere believer, so I give him credit for his efforts. I don't usually equate Doctrinal Error with no possibility that one is saved. He has, for years, been wrong on a number of issues, lol.


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Since the question is "Has Hank left the faith," isn't there a conflict with the above erroneous position? In other words, shall we assume he "left the faith," or that he was never "of the faith?"

Do we condemn the many groups that also teach the possibility of losing salvation? There are a lot of them.


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Eastern and Greek Orthodox believe that baptism is a necessary prerequisite for salvation. They don't believe in the Protestant teaching of justification by faith. Baptism, faith, and works are all necessary. This is not just heterodoxical, its heretical.

Both Orthodox claim to trace their origin to the patristic age. They claim that as a badge of honor, believing that first century roots speak to their theological purity. The problem with that view is that the patristic age was rife with error. It's was the age of heresies, small and large. The Orthodox Church has maintained many of these heresies.


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Does the Bible distinguish between "The Faith" and salvation?

And Hank teaches his share, so what difference does it make what group he associates with?


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There is no defense of having such a lecturer from me.

Since you note that it is lengthy, could you give us the gist of what we'll be listening to? Thanks.

 

The Apostle paul would delver the pronouncement against that church of being in name only Christian, as they deny the very Lord who paid for sins on the Cross by their doctrines!

 

Has he left the faith once and for all delivered to the saints, Yes, as that church denies the very justification Jesus died for, and His Apostles died for to get unto us in the scriptures!

 

Would say that he has now left the truth of Christianity for a fasle church and its false teachingas, but is still saved, but really now confused!

 

Could you explain that?

So if a group is evangelical...they are in the faith? And we do not consider the error they teach?

Hank, from what I can gather, is a partial preterist and regularly teaches error. His association with any group does not change that fact.

And you change the focus from "the faith" to "the evangelical faith," that is not what you were asked about.

"The Faith" is euphemistic for salvation and that is the focus of my question, as to whether it is not asking if he has "de-converted" by joining another group which...teaches error. The assumption is that was saved, and left the faith, and most people who read this thread are going to question his salvation.

For the record, I think he is saved, and sincere in his beliefs, and that he is doing the Will of God in his ministry. I also think it very possible that Preterists and partial Preterists can be saved.




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So you think he has left Christianity but is still saved?

He has been confused about numerous things for years. I see no reason why his affiliation with another group changes anything.


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I wonder id such discussions as this miss the point - I'm not responsible for the spiritual state of hank - I am however responsible for my own spiritual state!

Maybe, rather then looking at the spec in his eye, I need to be concerned with the log in my on eye and maybe I need to very aware that, 'but for the grace of God go I.'

Such events as this one provide us all with an opportunity to gives ourselves a spiritual health check and ensure we are pressing forward - we don't do that by questioning others salvation - but by examining our own!

 

Not here...


2 Corinthians 13:5
King James Version (KJV)

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


...it isn't.

One is in the faith, or a reprobate.

Is Hank a reprobate? Has he a corrupt mind? Is is end to be burned?

I would agree, so why an emphasis on Hank leaving "the evangelical faith," which you have just clarified is not a guarantee of being a member of the Body of Christ?

You know I do, lol. That is why I ask. The point is that we consider the error of all groups.

And I quote:

But for the record, do we not all play a role of "priest?"

And is there really that much distinction between a Pastor and a Priest? Both serve in a role of leadership over a congregation.

I view both as equally true. "The Faith" rests on the entire body of Doctrine taught us in Scripture.

But, you know as well as I do that the OP questions whether Hank has left "The Faith," as understood as salvation, whether we want to define it as "the entire body of Doctrine in Scripture" or not. This also implies that the "Evangelical Faith" is the means of salvation, and given the diversity of Evangelical Faiths...that is too broad a brush. And it overlooks those Evangelical groups who also hold error, and do not abide by the "entire body of Doctrine of Scripture."

So if we assume that Hank was simply among those of "the Faith," and has now left it, and was never saved, are we not still...questioning his salvation?

When you say...

...you are not equating the topic with salvation?

I agree, so I guess the primary question we would have to ask, rather than the OP, is...was Hank ever in the Faith?

Which brings us right back to questioning his salvation.

And I would agree, and hope Sproul can one day change perseverance to preservation, as you have here.

So the bottom line might seem to be, not if Hank has "left the faith," but if he has simply added to the error/s he has held to for years.

On the contrary, you have very much influence over what people both think and say.

And I will PM you that is a reference to you being an Administrator.

On the contrary, you are to know, by the fruit, whether the tree is good or bad, are you not?

And if you are to exhort to holding to the Doctrine and tradition of the Biblical record, it stands to reason that the implication is that you are to know it. This is particularly true for those holding positions of leadership. So in any given congregation, while the people under the teaching of the leadership have personal responsibility themselves, the leadership is held to a higher standard and will be held more accountable than the congregation itself. Hank will be held accountable for the teaching he has presented over the years, but many of those who have called in will not be, because they are learning, and looking to him as one who knows.

And I don't think you have to listen to his show very long to know his heart either. He believes what he teaches, regardless of the error. And in large part he offers basic answers to basic questions. Like most teachers.

So I guess the focus is just the matter of singling out a specific teacher for errors, when the fact is we can do this with all teachers found in public.

Not on everything. And what I have found him in error about is echoed by numerous members here.

So have they left the faith?

He preaches Christ crucified, and I have heard him on more than one occasion clarify that salvation is by grace through faith alone. The oddities of his Theology don't come up that often.

Quite magnanimous, ain't we.




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But here it seems to be:
Acts 16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.
Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Galatians 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Colossians 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Each will have to answer for himself or herself as to what they were thinking, but I did not take it that way.

When evangelist6589 wrote:

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I thought he was talking about holding the essential doctrines of scripture, not whether or not Hank Hanegraaf was saved.

 

I did not take it that the OP was asking whether or not Hank was/is saved. I took it as whether or not Hank has abandoned Evangelical Teachings for heretical sacramentalism.

 

So you are going to argue that "the Faith" in these verses do not speak euphemistically about the Christian Faith? And in other words, salvation in Christ, which is what Christianity is?

Let's look at a few (i'm out of time but made the mistake of logging back on again, lol):

I would point out that Paul preached Christ crucified.

The instructional teaching in his writing are not what we call the "faith."

In view is faith in Christ, as opposed to Judaism.

Glad you brought this up.

Could you give me your view on what Paul means by these departing from the faith? I would suggest to you that he is on the same page as Peter in 2 Peter 2.

So in the idea that...

...we have to ask, was the entire body of Doctrine when this was written?

Kind of hard to think that. Better to view "the once delivered faith" the way most do, which is Faith in Christ.

And this particular verse was given in response to the OP:

TCassidy said: ↑
If Hank says he has not denied the faith once delivered, what exactly does he think that faith is?

The doctrine of justification by faith is virtually absent from the history and theology of the Orthodox Church.

Here Justification by faith is equated to "The Faith."

And the difference between your response and TCassidy's is that you addressed what the OP said, whereas T addressed the Title.

That is kind of the point, RL: the question of the title calls his salvation in question. Another question is "Why would Hank joining another group that is erroneous in Doctrine matter?" I do not see his teaching as very good. While I would agree with the idea he is sound on most basic issues, there is still much error which I see as significant. Whether those issues harm those that follow Hank or not, I myself doubt, because most of them are beginning students that are not getting much beyond basics.


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But haven't you said you are not qualified to do that?

Because he joined the EO?

He has disqualified himself for years, at least, according to your judgment.

You deny the role of leadership in the Body of Christ? Pastors are viewed by many to be someone people can go to for intercession. That it is not exclusive doesn't change that.

And maybe I am not understanding you or perhaps the EO defines it differently, but I do not view the elements to be literal either.

Agreed in regards to sacerdotalism.

Going to need you to define what you mean by sacramentarian.

So no-one in the EO prays to God, or prays for people...except the priests?

I find that a little hard to believe.

Kind of like the saying "As long as there are tests in School there will be prayer in school."

Could you produce a statement from their official doctrine, I'd like to examine that, and to what extent they mean this.

Seems like you did:

You are not implying that if one rejects justification by faith they are rejecting "The Faith?"

Not sure how you could possibly conclude I am questioning his faith, lol.

Again, the point is the question of the OP, which most, if they are honest, are going to equate with salvation.

If one departs from the faith, we are not usually speaking about backsliding, but apostasy.

And again I ask...what made him qualified to be cosidered "in the faith" before?

If error precludes one is in the faith, then that is all of us.

It's okay, you're all wrong about something.

I wasn't referring to John's teaching, but Christ's:


Matthew 7:16-20
King James Version (KJV)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Actually, its not. You should spend a little more time going over some of the threads that go on.

Just because someone says they are a Baptist, we can say, based on your judgment, they are not Baptists when they teach Doctrine that is not taught by Baptist groups (i.e., soul sleep, annihilation, pre-existing spirits, etc.).

But to clarify, I am okay with them calling themselves Baptists even though they have embraced doctrine/s not taught by known Baptist groups (independent Baptists, for example, that teach ecstatic speech).

Again, define sacramentarian as you understand it and provide a source for your understanding, because I do not view the elements of Communion, for example, to be literal. I don't mind admitting my ignorance on this.

So they are no longer "in the faith?"

Again...I am not much impressed with his "former message," lol.

Perhaps it might be better if you provide quotes from him that show he has "left the faith."


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