The Catholic Church Is Not Entirely False And Does Worship The Biblical And Historical Jesus As God

[John Yurich]

The Catholic Church is not entirely false as there are scriptural doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. And the Catholic Church does indeed worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God. Some Evangelical Protestants state falsely that the Catholic Church does not worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

 

[Jason1]

The Catholic Church is not entirely false as there are scriptural doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. And the Catholic Church does indeed worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God. Some Evangelical Protestants state falsely that the Catholic Church does not worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

[Edited]

This is not what scripture preaches. The catholics (I was one), also add in many man-made rules such as sacriments, goddess worship (mary the queen of heaven), popery (nicolatin hierarchal rule), and many other sins. They also are into sun worship (monstrance, wafer host, sunday worship, xmas). They added in much paganistic practices such as christmas and easter which her protesting daughters still do. The list can go on and on.

[Edited]

 

[Darrell C]

[Edited]

This is not what scripture preaches. The catholics (I was one), also add in many man-made rules such as sacriments, goddess worship (mary the queen of heaven), popery (nicolatin hierarchal rule), and many other sins. They also are into sun worship (monstrance, wafer host, sunday worship, xmas). They added in much paganistic practices such as christmas and easter which her protesting daughters still do. The list can go on and on.

[Edited]

Jason, you are simply not going to convince Bible reading, born again believers to join a cult.

The Catholic Church certainly has issues, but when it comes to where the rubber meets the road, I have not seen the complete lack of understanding to Scripture that you have presented in the short time we have interacted.

[Edited]

What does your religion do for the remission of sins?

Answer that for me (and have to get going, so will respond when I get the chance).


God bless.

 

[Jason1]

Jason, you are simply not going to convince Bible reading, born again believers to join a cult.

The Catholic Church certainly has issues, but when it comes to where the rubber meets the road, I have not seen the complete lack of understanding to Scripture that you have presented in the short time we have interacted.

You are a Christ rejecter, which means you reject the very Creator, and then speak of being others being lawless.

What does your religion do for the remission of sins?

Answer that for me (and have to get going, so will respond when I get the chance).


God bless.

Don't falsely accuse because you fail to read.

I never reject Yeshua, in fact, I uphold him as the Word sent forth from the Father who came to redeem us (this has been stated over and over). Yeshua came preaching repentance - a return to torah and thus YHVH.

Yeshua whipped the slate clean to all those who accept and we are to go and sin no more (keep torah). If we fail, we have an advocate with the Father. If we sin willfully, then we have to look forward to judgment (heb 10)

If you respond, please keep it under 100 pages please

 

[John Yurich]

No, the catholic church and her daughters worship a lawless Jesus who came to do away with His Father's words.

This is not what scripture preaches. The catholics (I was one), also add in many man-made rules such as sacriments, goddess worship (mary the queen of heaven), popery (nicolatin hierarchal rule), and many other sins. They also are into sun worship (monstrance, wafer host, sunday worship, xmas). They added in much paganistic practices such as christmas and easter which her protesting daughters still do. The list can go on and on.

COME OUT OF THIS EVIL SYSTEM - This is a total misrepresentation of YHVH and Yeshua.

False. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? Catholics do not worship the sun. You really do need psychological help from Jesus. It is not required for salvation and entrance into Heaven that a Catholic who gives their life to Christ and trusts entirely in Him alone for salvation leave the Catholic Church and just attend an Evangelical Protestant Church. I attend the local Catholic parish on late Saturday afternoons but I also attend the local small Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I go to Adult Sunday School before worship, fellowship with individuals, where I will be Baptized via immersion on Sunday 7 May after worship and where I am involved in various church activities like going to soup lunches and other meals after worship.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Catholic Church is not entirely false as there are scriptural doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. And the Catholic Church does indeed worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God. Some Evangelical Protestants state falsely that the Catholic Church does not worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

The church of Rome has another and false Gospel, as they give lip service to the right Jesus, but then deny His death on the Cross as the full payment for all sins!

 

[C. Foster Payne]

Where most Protestants have issue with the Catholic Church is not in either church's belief in God or Jesus...both believe in the same entities. The crux of their differences is in the practice of the Lord's Supper. In the Catholic tradition Salvation is achieved through the Supper...the actual act of eating and drinking are required for Salvation.

For Protestants, the Lord's Supper is symbolic, a time of remembrance for what Christ has done for us, a ritual we undertake to honor His instruction to us to "Do this in remembrance of me." Salvation is achieved through belief and acceptance. There is no thing we can do to earn Salvation.

Does this help?

 

[Yeshua1]

Where most Protestants have issue with the Catholic Church is not in either church's belief in God or Jesus...both believe in the same entities. The crux of their differences is in the practice of the Lord's Supper. In the Catholic tradition Salvation is achieved through the Supper...the actual act of eating and drinking are required for Salvation.

For Protestants, the Lord's Supper is symbolic, a time of remembrance for what Christ has done for us, a ritual we undertake to honor His instruction to us to "Do this in remembrance of me." Salvation is achieved through belief and acceptance. There is no thing we can do to earn Salvation.

Does this help?

Much bigger difference is that while we hold to the Cross being the full justification for all our sins, the RCC would hold to Sacramental grace salvation model, and denies the full suffiency of the Cross to save us!

 

[Jason1]

False. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? Catholics do not worship the sun. You really do need psychological help from Jesus. It is not required for salvation and entrance into Heaven that a Catholic who gives their life to Christ and trusts entirely in Him alone for salvation leave the Catholic Church and just attend an Evangelical Protestant Church. I attend the local Catholic parish on late Saturday afternoons but I also attend the local small Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I go to Adult Sunday School before worship, fellowship with individuals, where I will be Baptized via immersion on Sunday 7 May after worship and where I am involved in various church activities like going to soup lunches and other meals after worship.

I was in catholicism for 25 years. Once I came out of the whore and her daughters I could see all of the blasphemies that I could not see while I was in them. It is indeed a cover for sun worship through practice with a different "Jesus" than the one scripture portrays. Sure, they use the same scripture readings, but they have a different teaching about him and how he relates to the whore church.

Quit worshiping those false idols of which they have many.

 

[John Yurich]

I was in catholicism for 25 years. Once I came out of the whore and her daughters I could see all of the blasphemies that I could not see while I was in them. It is indeed a cover for sun worship through practice with a different "Jesus" than the one scripture portrays. Sure, they use the same scripture readings, but they have a different teaching about him and how he relates to the whore church.

Quit worshiping those false idols of which they have many.

Hey jack, I don't worship any idols at all. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? Even Luther who was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit did not believe the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false Jesus but believes in and worships the biblical and historical Jesus. You really are sick. No normal Evangelical Protestant believes that the Catholic Church worships the sun. And no normal Evangelical Protestant believes the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false Jesus when the facts state otherwise. Pastor Steve of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings does not believe the Catholic Church worships the sun and does not believe the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false Jesus. Pastor Steve has a problem with the Catholic Mass because of the teaching that the Mass is a sacrifice. I reject and repudiate every single unscriptural Catholic doctrine and the unscriptural parts of the Mass. I reject the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation but I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I have a lady friend at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings and she believes that her Catholic Father who passed away in early December of 2016 is in Heaven because he gave his life to Christ when he was dying. And she also believes that her Catholic Father believed in and worshiped the biblical and historical Jesus.

 

[Jason1]

Hey jack, I don't worship any idols at all. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false Jesus? Even Luther who was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit did not believe the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false Jesus but believes in and worships the biblical and historical Jesus. You really are sick. No normal Evangelical Protestant believes that the Catholic Church worships the sun. And no normal Evangelical Protestant believes the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false Jesus when the facts state otherwise. Pastor Steve of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings does not believe the Catholic Church worships the sun and does not believe the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false Jesus. Pastor Steve has a problem with the Catholic Mass because of the teaching that the Mass is a sacrifice. I reject and repudiate every single unscriptural Catholic doctrine and the unscriptural parts of the Mass. I reject the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation but I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. I have a lady friend at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings and she believes that her Catholic Father who passed away in early December of 2016 is in Heaven because he gave his life to Christ when he was dying. And she also believes that her Catholic Father believed in and worshiped the biblical and historical Jesus.

Idols: Graven image of Jesus that is bowed down to
Wafer host deity = knelt down to
Graven image of Mary = knelt down to
Myriad of catholic saints prayed to (they have no powers and are dead)
Supposed relics of the saints (idolatry)
Need I keep going?

Protestants worship the same as the catholic church. They are her daughters. Both have the same marks of sunday worship and pagan feast days. Each has various changing of times and laws (what antichrist does).

 

[John Yurich]

Idols: Graven image of Jesus that is bowed down to
Wafer host deity = knelt down to
Graven image of Mary = knelt down to
Myriad of catholic saints prayed to (they have no powers and are dead)
Supposed relics of the saints (idolatry)
Need I keep going?

Protestants worship the same as the catholic church. They are her daughters. Both have the same marks of sunday worship and pagan feast days. Each has various changing of times and laws (what antichrist does).

You really are totally sick. Well I don't engage in any idolatry as I don't pray to the Virgin Mary and the Saints for intercession and I do not pray to or bow down to graven images. I deny the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation but accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. And ever since Jesus was Resurrected on Sunday and Pentecost took place on Sunday then weekend worship changed from Saturday to Sunday. Pastor Steve of that Baptist Church I attend is a much better Christian than you will ever hope to be.

 

[Jason1]

You really are totally sick. Well I don't engage in any idolatry as I don't pray to the Virgin Mary and the Saints for intercession and I do not pray to or bow down to graven images. I deny the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation but accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion. And ever since Jesus was Resurrected on Sunday and Pentecost took place on Sunday then weekend worship changed from Saturday to Sunday. Pastor Steve of that Baptist Church I attend is a much better Christian than you will ever hope to be.

I'm very happy you are keeping the 2nd commandment then. Congrats for not falling into their trap.

Being resurrected on sunday doesn't change the sabbath day. Why it is this day is because he was the wave sheaf offering of leviticus 23 (firstfruits of harvest). Never was there any authorization to change the sabbath day, nor could it be since it is an eternal commandment.

 

[Daverk]

Gentlemen,cool down the language and rhetoric! There is no need to be so personal!

 

[Daverk]

I am coming from a Catholic country and was educated mostly in Catholic institutions for my high school and university. I did my doctorate through German in Lucerne Switzerland

 

[Christine Baker]

Although the NT does mention meeting together on the first day of the week, it does also mention that they met DAILY, breaking bread DAILY. Jesus also said, "as often as you do this..." Could that mean as often as we eat and drink, or only as we gather together?

 

[Jason1]

Although the NT does mention meeting together on the first day of the week, it does also mention that they met DAILY, breaking bread DAILY. Jesus also said, "as often as you do this..." Could that mean as often as we eat and drink, or only as we gather together?

I think it means as often as you do passover (yearly observance). What were they doing at the time? The whole event is tied to passover and his sacrifice.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

The Catholic Church is not entirely false as there are scriptural doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. And the Catholic Church does indeed worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God. Some Evangelical Protestants state falsely that the Catholic Church does not worship the biblical and historical Jesus as God.

Only a very small percentage of rat poison is actually poison. Doesn't mean we should eat it.

When the Catholic Church cannot get justification right, then it really doesn't matter how much else they get right.

 

[Darrell C]

Don't falsely accuse because you fail to read.

Its not a false accusation, you seek to turn people from Christ and to works-based salvation.

Despite the many passages that you have been given to show that men are not under Law you continue in teaching Law.

I never reject Yeshua,

You do, for the Father has commanded all men to be in obedience to the Gospel of Christ, and come into relationship with Him through Christ...not the Law.

in fact, I uphold him as the Word sent forth from the Father who came to redeem us

You simply don't.

You are an advocate for Moses, not Christ.

(this has been stated over and over).

No, what has been stated over and over is that men must keep the Torah.

That is a false gospel.

Yeshua came preaching repentance - a return to torah and thus YHVH.

Actually, John came preaching repentance, and was to signal the coming of Messiah.

And while repentance is part of our salvation, a result of the convicting ministry of the Comforter, it is not something men generate of their own effort.

Yeshua whipped the slate clean to all those who accept and we are to go and sin no more (keep torah).

Again, a false gospel.

Christ did not just "wipe the slate clean," so you could start out all over and hope this time you do not sin, He forgave our sins...forever.

That means the sins we committed as natural men, as well as the sins He knew you and I would commit after we were Reconciled to Him.

If we fail, we have an advocate with the Father

And what? He "wipes the slate clean again?"

If we sin willfully, then we have to look forward to judgment (heb 10)

Again, your ignorance of what the Word of God teaches hinders you.

Hebrews 10 is by far one of the primary passages that teaches that men are in relationship with God through the New Covenant, not the Covenant of Law.

If you read it you might see that, instead of, as most religious people do, yanking a verse or two from it's context and creating false doctrine.

Consider:


Hebrews 10:26-29
King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


In your mind you see this as referring to Christians committing sins after they are saved, whereas the truth of this passage is directed at people just like you.

The wilful sin is defined in v.29, and is contrasted with the Covenant of Law (v.28), and is meant to instruct Hebrews (Jews) who had been under Law and heard of Christ:



28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Do you see the contrast between those who despised Moses' Law and those who reject Christ, His Sacrifice, His Covennat, and the Spirit of Grace?

He is not saying those who despise Moses' Law...and...

He is saying "Those who despise the New Covenant, Christ, His Sacrifice, and the Spirit of Grace (the Comforter and His Ministry) will be punished more severely than those who despised Moses' Law (the Covenant of Law)."

The danger, as is a constant theme in the Book, is for Jews to associate with Christ...but turn away. They return to that which suits their natural minds better...religion.

That is you.

You are treading under foot the Son of God, counting the Blood of the Covenant unholy, and doing contrary to what the Spirit of Grace is trying to tell you.

If you respond, please keep it under 100 pages please

And that is why you have succumbed to a cult, Jason, because you are lazy. You want to tell people your truth, have them readily accept it, but you are neither capable of addressing the objections to your false gospel nor providing an adequate presentation that is, for Bible Students, going to cancel out the many passages that warn us that if we seek to return to the Covenant that has been made obsolete...we are rejecting the Gift of God.

The Writer of Hebrews speaks about you here...


Hebrews 5:8-14
King James Version (KJV)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.


He is preaching Christ.

Here is what he has to say to his Hebrew brethren:


11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.


They are lazy.

This is you.


12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


They do not understand the First Principles of the Word of God.

This is you.


13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.


They are infantile in their understanding.

This is you.

But there is hope for you, Jason...



14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


"Strong Meat" belongs to those who are perfect (full age, mature (which is relevant, not to Christians, but to Hebrews/Jews in their understanding of the First Principles of the Word of God)).

This is for those who have not been lazy and infantile in their understanding, but have, by reason of use (done their homework), have their senses exercised (mental gymnastics, lol) that they are able to discern what is good, and...

...what is evil.

And teaching men to return to Law is evil, and a false gospel.

That is why it is spoken of by Paul, John, and the Writer of Hebrews in such detail.

So quit being lazy, Jason. Do your homework. Stop reading the material of your cult and read the Word of God.


God bless.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Where most Protestants have issue with the Catholic Church is not in either church's belief in God or Jesus...both believe in the same entities. The crux of their differences is in the practice of the Lord's Supper. In the Catholic tradition Salvation is achieved through the Supper...the actual act of eating and drinking are required for Salvation.

For Protestants, the Lord's Supper is symbolic, a time of remembrance for what Christ has done for us, a ritual we undertake to honor His instruction to us to "Do this in remembrance of me." Salvation is achieved through belief and acceptance. There is no thing we can do to earn Salvation.

Does this help?

While that's a problem, I don't think it's the biggest problem. Catholics believe in works-based and man-centered salvation.