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Bible Illiteracy in America

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Calv1, Apr 28, 2017.

  1. Calv1

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    A Pew Research poll in 2010 found that evangelicals ranked only a smidgen higher than atheists in familiarity with the New Testament and Jesus’s teachings.

    The old saying "If you do not know what you believe, you are bound to believe anything' rings true. American's are bibilically illiterate. Ask yourself, what can you quote easier, a random chapter of Numbers or a Michael Jackson song? 53rd Chapter of Isaiah or large quotes from Star Wars?

    I'm bringing myself into judgement by stating this, for I don't know all I should, I'll each day hear maybe 3 sermons/debates on YouTube, and read a chapter of the bible, but it's not enough.

    Do you hear the latest 'In" thing to say "It's not what you know, it's your relationship", this is true, knowledge can puff up, but it doesn't have to, THIS IS GOD ALMIGHTY SPEAKING TO US PEOPLE! If we were in Church, and a cloud, a clear manifestation of God appeared, none of us doubted, and He started speaking, would we ignore it or FIGHT TO SEE WHAT HE SAID? Since we'd fight, why aren't we now? Is it because we really don't believe?

    How about this one, "Calvinists are all well studied, Arminians go with their gut", how true! It's impossible for one to study the bible Genesis to Revelation and not be Reformed (My preferred term as Luther believed almost identical what Calvin and all the Reformers did). Frankly I for one am getting sick of two main things, 1. The false theology presented as Reformed. 2. The utter lack of understanding of Reformed Theology 3. Biblical Illiteracy.

    How about this as a rule, IF YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED, LISTEN, OBSERVE, BUT DON'T SPEAK? From the Reformation until last century, to get the highest degree available, a Doctorate in Theology, before you could go to graduate school, you didn't have to just know Greek, BUT DEBATE IN IT, these men of old, those who crafted the Westminster and London Baptist Confessions were trained beyond all of us combined! Yet the ignorant pick at them, like a Poodle barking at a giant bear.

    I was Arminian, I privately debated Calvinists, they trashed me, I knew the trashed me, but I NEVER debated publicly, what if i were wrong? What if I led someone in the wrong way? I've studied Eschatology at length, pretty settled on partial preterism, but I'd NEVER DEBATE IT, what if i am wrong? What would GOD ALMIGHTY THINK?

    Please ask yourself that questions before making a post, 'What would God think of what I'm writing', "Have I studied both sides exhaustively? Could I explain Reformed Theology and all the verses used? If not beware, Jesus, Paul and Peter had TERRIFYING WARNINGS FOR FALSE TEACHERS, don't think they were for only then, they are for now as well, in fact try to find Paul or Peter give out greater curses on anyone than false teachers.
     
  2. Rob_BW

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    Those Calvinists that you debated probably thrashed you due to your propensity to use generalizations and false absolutes.
     
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  3. Calv1

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    You mean like Pew research? Or is this just a generalization?
     
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    I don't know, you didn't cite your source.:Wink
     
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    PEW RESEARCH INCORPORATED
     
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    A Pew Research poll....

    Of how many people? What denomination(s)? What region of the country? What race(s)? What age(s)?

    "Calvinists are all well studied, Arminians go with their gut"?! Really? All calvinists are well studied? And arminians--are you sure you're not confusing classical and neo-arminians, much less with pelagians and semi-pelagians? Or do you just lump all non-calvinists into one group and conveniently (erroneously) call them one label? BTW: are you talking about moderate calvinists, or hyper calvinists, or one of the other circles? Or do you lump all calvinists into one group?

    How about this rule instead: if you haven't studied, ask questions, search out the scriptures, and test everything you're told -- especially by anonymous loudmouths on the internet -- because iton sharpens iron?

    And if you really, really want to be seen as well-studied -- learn to write, because one mis-placed comma or hyphen can mean the difference between doctrine and false teaching. Not to mention poor writing places doubt on how well-studied you actually are.

    And finally, let's remember the most important thing, especially with regard to the way you've shown up here, guns blazing, all gung-ho about how calvinists are better than arminians: What does God think, and what do Peter and Paul teach, about those that cause strife and divisions between the church and the brethren?
     
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    I have to say, I'm not really digging the way that they categorized protestants. Particularly, why can't evangelicals have a category, instead of dividing it racially?

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    I guess I could be happy that the category I'm in beat out the atheists, though.

    U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey
     
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    How in the world would Pew Research know anything about this subject? I'll let you in on a secret......they can't.
     
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    Pew Research. Appropriate name in this case.

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  12. Calv1

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    I must say it's remarkable how defensive I see some on this thread. If you do not think American is bibilcially illiterate, that should tell you that you probably are.

    Just look at this forum, for Christians, yet there are a handful who actually have STUDIED the bible, over 90% a biblically illiterate, I put it up not because of PEW Research, and yes they are capable of doing polls, but it's just obvious, look around, people attacking Reformed Theology, the Theology of Luther and Calvin, yet not understanding what they are attacking, get into a debate, and people j
    We don't need Pew Research, just read this forum, well not you but people who know their bible read this forum, with their jaws on the ground and the illiteracy.
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen, here we have a person claiming Biblical literacy yet cannot even form coherent sentences.

    If you don't believe me go back and read what Calv1 has written out loud.


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