It is neither shrewd to trust a manipulative person, nor is innocent to support a manipulative person.
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It is neither shrewd to trust a manipulative person, nor is innocent to support a manipulative person.
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Hmmm. So let me get this straight. You and ITL claim to be against funding planned parenthood. But you're both not willing to end the 60 vote rule to defund it. Trump, on the other hand is. Seems to me Trump is actually more pro-life than you two.
I love how this one starts with "pay attention."
Matt. 10:16“Pay attention, now! I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves. (ISV)
I love how Scripture cuts through the bull. And if I'm the unborn I want a leader who is pro-life and cunning.
The filibuster is just the excuse for why they will not defund it. They could do it with a simple majority through reconciliation if they wanted, but they don't. And Trump by signing the bill that funds baby killing planned parenthood prove his lack of pro-life cred as does your defense of him. You with your vote own the next 5 months of Planned Parenthood funding.
Well you got a cunning (manipulative) leader, or at least one who think he is cunning, but you failed on the pro life qualification as evidence by his funding of Planned Parenthood.
Scripture does cut to the quick. And your focusing only on the parts you want prove to be a problem. Me I'm going to continue to stand by my belief that it is the Gospel that changes nations for the better and not manipulative (your word not mine) men.
So here is some more Scripture for you to ponder to cut through the bull:
Put not your trust in princes,
in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation. Ps 146:2
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16
And this one is especially apporpriate given your calling Trump manipulative and viewing that as good.
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil Isa 5:20a
And maybe you should pay attention to the verse you quoted above, and be both more wise toward those you trust and support so as not to continue to support someone funding the destruction of innocent.
They are claiming that this is what they will do in September. I seriously doubt it, given their 8 year record of caving, but we'll see.
Hmmm. I remember you predicting Trump would never appoint someone like Gorsuch. How's your record on Trump predictions going?
This from a woman who thinks an archaic rule about Senate votes is more important than stopping abortions. Fact: cunning shrewd Trump is more pro-life than you.
60 votes? - nope let the babies die.
I love all those verses. I also love matt. 10:16.
This is from a women Shrewd enough to know that giving the Democrarts that kind of power will destroy this country. Your hubris will not allow you to see that Trump and the Republicans will not be in power indefinitely.
Fact Manipulative unscrupulous Trump is funding planned parenthood.
which proves your so called fact to be a lie.
That is what Trump is doing and you voted for him. He and the Republicans are the ones hiding behind a 60 vote threshold when there is already a way to do it with a simple majority, its called reconciliation, you know that's how Obamacare got passed.
Than you should be doers of the Word not just reading them.
As long as you are supporting a man "characterized by unscrupulous" behavior your words will have no weight with me.
Yeah, if they won't do it now, I have no reason to think they will do it later. They can pass a bill through reconciliation at any time, no reason to wait until Sep. except that it allows them to move the goalpost again. The question will be how long will voters allow them to move the goalpost over and over and over again.
So the Constitution is now corrupt and can't be trusted in its original form?
And let me think about this logic. Babies are being killed now, but you want to protect the country from being destroyed? We have a modern holocaust, but you want to keep in from getting worse, so you allow the holocaust to go on to save the future.
Fact: cunning shrewd Trump is more pro-life than you are.
Yes, Trump is trying to end abortions for good, and you are standing in the way again, clinging to an archaic 60 vote rule which is not even in the Constitution.
You mean except when it means ending 60 votes.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Wednesday clashed with a Breitbart reporter over accusations that President Trump has failed to deliver on his promised border wall.
Spicer brought a slide show to the briefing room that showed fencing along the southern border in a state of disrepair. He then showed slides to indicate what the fencing would look like under the new congressional spending bill that appropriates nearly $500 million for repairs, including the erection of levee and bollard walls to bolster security in some places.
“Is that a photo of a fence or a wall?” asked Breitbart News senior White House correspondent Charlie Spiering.
“That is called a bollard wall and that is called a levee wall,” Spicer responded.
“So that’s the wall Trump promised?” Spiering asked.
“There are various walls that can be built under the legislation that is just passed,” Spicer said.
The two went back and forth over whether the repairs that could take place under the fiscal 2017 spending bill would constitute the construction of a wall or merely additions to a fence, before CNN’s Jim Acosta broke in.
“It’s not the wall the president promised," Acosta said.
The White House is under pressure from some on the right — including Breitbart, the right-wing outlet once helmed by White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon — to deliver on Trump’s promise to build a border wall.
White House clashes with Breitbart over border wall
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Spicer brought a slide show to the briefing room that showed fencing along the southern border in a state of disrepair. He then showed slides to indicate what the fencing would look like under the new congressional spending bill that appropriates nearly $500 million for repairs, including the erection of levee and bollard walls to bolster security in some places.
“Is that a photo of a fence or a wall?” asked Breitbart News senior White House correspondent Charlie Spiering.
“That is called a bollard wall and that is called a levee wall,” Spicer responded.
“So that’s the wall Trump promised?” Spiering asked.
“There are various walls that can be built under the legislation that is just passed,” Spicer said.
The two went back and forth over whether the repairs that could take place under the fiscal 2017 spending bill would constitute the construction of a wall or merely additions to a fence, before CNN’s Jim Acosta broke in.
“It’s not the wall the president promised," Acosta said.
The White House is under pressure from some on the right — including Breitbart, the right-wing outlet once helmed by White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon — to deliver on Trump’s promise to build a border wall.
White House clashes with Breitbart over border wall
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I'm not sure they can do it at anytime, they have to "reconcile" things that are related to spending bills. I'd imagine the recent omnibus bill would qualify but to reconcile things in it they need to be identified at the time of the debate on the spending bill. I don't think they did that this time.
So, yeah, Trump and the GOP have kicked the Planned Parenthood can down the road once again.
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I remember specifically you said you didn't trust Trump was pro-life and would appoint a conservative Justice. Are you denying this?
And ITL and blessed wife will oppose any efforts he makes to defund planned parenthood clinging to the 60 vote excuse.
Who said anything about a corrupt Constitution? Little Civic lesson for you: The Constitution doesn't give procedures for how things are passed in the Senate. It left it up to the individual bodies to figure it out. Article 1 Section 5 point 2
2: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
But than again I'm a small governemnt run by the constitution which you yourself called a liberal position so there you go.
Hey you are the one that is fine with babies being killed for the next 5 months since Trump will eventually get what he wants. So using your holocaust analogy (which I agree with) you are ok with it going on for the next 5 months for reasons. If I had my way Planned Parenthood (the holocaust) would end now but hey your guy thinks they do wonderful things for millions of women so he is not going to do that. There is no reason for it to be funded one more day. So reality is you are the one who is wanting it to go on to protect your guy in the Whitehouse instead of drawing a line in the sand and ending their funding now.
Wanting to shut down Planned Parenthood is why I voted pro life and not for the guy that thinks they do wonderful things.
And because of this thing called Reconciliation they could defund Planned Parenthood (a fact you have ignored since it would mess with your view of Trump) with a simple majority without giving the Democrats the means to destory this country in the future. That is called being Shrewd, looking at how to get things done now without destroying the future.
He is not trying at all. He is willing to sign a bill funding the holocaust (your analogy) instead of vetoing it. Thats in the Constitution you know.
I'm not clinging to anything, Trump is by hiding behind that 60 vote rule, while forgetting (not knowing about?) Reconciliation. He and the Establishment GOP did the same thing with Obamacare even thought they had passed it through Reconciliation 2 years prior. They could end it today, if they wanted but they don't because as Trump said "They do wonderful things for millions of women"
BTW I would love to know how you think I as a non member of the Senate and who's senators are RINOs could possible do anything about the filibusters. You act like I have more power than elected officials including Trump. If that was true Planned Parenthood would not only be defunded they would be shut down completely.
Considering that I didn't vote for a single person involved in this budget, unlike you, It is interesting that you want to lay the blame on me. As far as I'm concerned those who voted for the members that voted yes, and for the president that will sign it bear the responsibility for planned parenthood being funded for the next 5 months.
Nope we are the ones that are pushing for Reconciliation which only required 51 votes. You are the one that is clinging to the 60 vote excuse for 5 more months of baby killing planned parenthood being funded.
If they failed to take the steps necessarily to reconcile the funding of planned parenthood out of the bill, that is on them and is just another example of them hiding behind the filibuster. Republican have no excuse either way, as they control all the branches. Failing to take the step to use reconciliation is just another example of how they really are not serious about their stated principles.
Trump is more pro life than you. He is wiling to end the democrat obstructionism to end abortion funding. You are willing to keep abortion funding. That's a huge difference between you two. That's why I support Trump.
The argument you make is phony. Trump is doing what he can in a corrupt system. Had he pushed for it now it would not have happened. He's gearing up for a fight int he Fall—he'll be fighting the democrats and you to save the unborn. This will be the 2nd time in the span of a year you turned your back on the unborn using political excuses.
Yes, I'm denying that.
I'm also denying your statement, "I remember you predicting Trump would never appoint someone like Gorsuch."
IIRC, I said something like "we don't know for sure if Trump would appoint conservative justices". That's a far cry from "he'll never appoint conservative judges."
What a world you live in. A world where the GOP votes to continue funding for Planned Parenthood, you agree with it, and then say that's being pro-life. Amazing.
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