Spiritual Interpretation....pt6

[PrmtvBptst1832]

I'd like to consider another aspect of this question of 'spiritual interpretation,' namely the 1,000 year Millennium.
Question: When is 1,000 years not 1,000 years?
Answer: When it's in the Bible.
I cannot think of a single place where 1,000 has to be interpreted literally, and a few places where it can't be.

Psalm 50:10-11. 'For every beast of the forest is Mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know all the birds of the mountains, and the wild birds of the field are Mine.' There are considerably more than a thousand hills in the world. Does God own only the cattle on a thousand? Of course not! But even if one were disposed to argue, the parallelism of Hebrew poetry would prevent one. 'Every beast' is paralleled with 'the cattle on a thousand hills.' A thousand here clearly means 'all that there are.'

Psalm 90:4. 'For a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past.' If there were 1,001 years, would it not be like yesterday? Of course it would! God is the eternal one; He sits outside of time. A thousand years means all the years that there are.

Psalm 105:9. 'He remembers His covenant forever, the word which He commanded for a thousand generations.' There have not yet been a thousand generations of men, but if there were to be, would God forget His covenant. Again, of course not! 1,000 generations stands for all that there will ever be.

2 Peter 3:8. 'But beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord on day is as 1,000 years, and 1,000 years as a day.' Peter obviously has Psalm 90:4 in mind. Are 1,001 years not like a day? Or does the text mean that God exists in a boundless present, sees the end from the beginning and all the years that there will ever be are like one day to Him?

So when we come to Revelation 20, are we going to insist that the number be taken literally, or are we going to treat it like all the other thousands, and say that it means all the years that there are? I would add that I don't think any of the numbers in Revelation are to be taken literally. Where are the eights, nines, elevens and thirteens? The book is full of fours (the number of the world- north, south east and west), sevens (the number of completeness or perfection), tens (the number of fullness) and twelves (the number of the covenant).

Whether the 1,000 years is 1,000 years or a long, indeterminate period of time, none but the Premillennialists account for its existence and the first resurrection.

 

[Iconoclast]

Well why does this become contentious?

Here are what some premill persons do with rev612-17.....that current premill do not want to post.....take from Rev.4 views....pg125

Hal Lindsey contends this seal describes the first nuclear exchange
A nuclear explosion will trigger the worst earthquake ever(vs12)
That smoke will darken the sun and make the moon appear red.

The falling stars are Russian bombs

Thanks Hal.....we will call you if we need you

 

[TCassidy]

Well why does this become contentious?

Here are what some premill persons do with rev612-17.....that current premill do not want to post.....take from Rev.4 views....pg125

Hal Lindsey contends this seal describes the first nuclear exchange
A nuclear explosion will trigger the worst earthquake ever(vs12)
That smoke will darken the sun and make the moon appear red.

The falling stars are Russian bombs

Thanks Hal.....we will call you if we need you

Has anyone participating in this thread proposed any of the above to be factual?

 

[Iconoclast]

Henry Morris says earthquakes make dust, that triggers volcanos,gas,steam.....
It is probably these that cause the sun to be darkened, the moon to appear blood-red...

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

Well why does this become contentious?

Here are what some premill persons do with rev612-17.....that current premill do not want to post.....take from Rev.4 views....pg125

Hal Lindsey contends this seal describes the first nuclear exchange
A nuclear explosion will trigger the worst earthquake ever(vs12)
That smoke will darken the sun and make the moon appear red.

The falling stars are Russian bombs

Thanks Hal.....we will call you if we need you

You are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

[Iconoclast]

Has anyone participating in this thread proposed any of the above to be factual?

TC.....
The problem is....they do not propose anything at all.....so I am provoking a response by showing how others seek to not use biblical language, but rather speculate.....didny Hal Lindsey sell 80 million copies of his book?
Someone read it....i had a copy myself

 

[Iconoclast]

Now on page 124 Gaebelein who was more sound offers this;
Most of it is symbolicical, yet at the same time great physical phenomena are also involved.

He suggests the earthquake could be literal
Everything is being shaken in this poor world
The civil and governmental powers on earth all go to pieces,
Every class of persons from kings to slaves is affected,terrorized.
The political and ecclesiastical world is going to pieces..

Not bad....at least he expands the text....he does not look to the OT. Verses in this quote however

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

Now on page 124 Gaebelein who was more sound offers this;
Most of it is symbolicical, yet at the same time great physical phenomena are also involved.

He suggests the earthquake could be literal
Everything is being shaken in this poor world
The civil and governmental powers on earth all go to pieces,
Every class of persons from kings to slaves is affected,terrorized.
The political and ecclesiastical world is going to pieces..

Not bad....at least he expands the text....he does not look to the IT. Verses in this quote however

I told you the same thing weeks ago.....

 

[Iconoclast]

You are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Hello P B.
No....just looking to see if the bible might just interpret itself....this is that spoken by the prophet Joel......
Joel did not speak of Russian bombs
Isaiah did not speak of Russian nuclear bombs falling on Babylon

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

Neither has any Premillennialist I know on this board.

 

[Iconoclast]

I told you the same thing weeks ago.....

Yes...i mentioned in the other thread, that you did at least jump in and offer on the verses...to your credit

 

[Iconoclast]

Neither has any Premillennialist I know on this board.

Pb.....other than yourself....they have offered next to nothing. Staying like a turtle in the shell is not interacting.....

 

[TCassidy]

The problem is....they do not propose anything at all.

Of course they have! Over and over again.

didny Hal Lindsey sell 80 million copies of his book?

But Hal is not participating in this thread.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; -Luke 20.35

This is the problem with Preterism, whether Partial or Full. If "this age" ended in A.D. 70, you have no consistent alternative but to admit, as David Chilton ultimately did, that the resurrection of the dead is past already. You have to redefine it, as the kingdom of God, and make it "spiritual."

 

[Iconoclast]

Of course they have! Over and over again.
But Hal is not participating in this thread.

I hereby invite Hal Lindsey, and any premill person to get involved!

TC....which post other than PB....showed any link to the verses in question.....
The good professor complained about them, but did not offer....
Y1.... tweeted as usual,lol
A couple of others offered hostile fire
I am offering more premill ideas then all the premill combined....like I say...PB has offered some.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ironside takes the vision symbolically he writes

It is not a worldwide earthquake..
But rather the destruction of the present order,political,social, and ecclesiastical-reduced to chaos,
The breaking down of authority, the breaking up of all established institutions.

 

[Iconoclast]

but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; -Luke 20.35

This is the problem with Preterism, whether Partial or Full. If "this age" ended in A.D. 70, you have no consistent alternative but to admit, as David Chilton ultimately did, that the resurrection of the dead is past already. You have to redefine it, as the kingdom of God, and make it "spiritual."

They say.....it is the end of the Jewish age, the end of the theocracy.....not the end of this world, not the last day.....
So when Paul speaks of these last days....he is speaking of that age coming to a close, not the events of our time....1tim4
The perilous times he spoke of were in his day...not ours

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

I hereby invite Hal Lindsey, and any premill person to get involved!

TC....which post other than PB....showed any link to the verses in question.....
The good professor complained about them, but did not offer....
Y1.... tweeted as usual,lol
A couple of others offered hostile fire
I am offering more premill ideas then all the premill combined....like I say...PB has offered some.

Mounce, Gaebelein, and Ironside do not interpret Rev. 6.12.-17 extremely literal. They allow for hyperbolic, figurative, and poetic, language.

 

[PrmtvBptst1832]

They say.....it is the end of the Jewish age, the end of the theocracy.....not the end of this world, not the last day.....
So when Paul speaks of these last days....he is speaking of that age coming to a close, not the events of our time....1tim4
The perilous times he spoke of were in his day...not ours

Show me "Jewish" age and "Christian" age in the New Testament. There is "this age" and "the age to come." We are living in the same age in which Jesus and his disciples lived.

 

[Iconoclast]

Show me "Jewish" age and "Christian" age in the New Testament. There is "this age" and "the age to come." We are living in the same age in which Jesus and his disciples lived.

All of them lived in the OT.....NT....transition
It was vanishing away 2 Cor 3..