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"And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” Jesus Is Equal with GodThis was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live" (Gospel of John, Chapter 5, verses 16-25)

Here we have a conversation between Jesus and the Jews who wanted to kill Him, because He had not only broken the sabbath, but called the Father, "My own Father", in a personal, unique way, thereby making Himself equal to God the Father.

Note what Jesus says to these murdering Jews. He tells these Jews who are "spiritually dead" (verse 25), that if they "hear My word and believe", they would have "eternal life". It is very interesting that Calvinism teaches that the "spiritual dead" are "SO dead", that they can never hear the call of God to "spiritual life". However, here we have the words of God Himself, where He says in verse 25, that these "spiritually dead", WILL HEAR His Voice, and those who "hear", that is "respond to it", WILL LIVE. Remember who Jesus is speaking to, the same Jews who wanted to murder Him, and He says YOU, if YOU will hear My words, that is the Gospel of Salvation, then THEY will LIVE. Yes, Jesus also died for these murdering Jews, because THEY are also part of "THE WORLD" that He "LOVES"! All of the above passage is directed to the Jews of verse 16.

Jesus says that ALL who will respond to His call WILL LIVE. Calvinism say NO, only those who are "elect" can and will come to Jesus. This yet again exposes the anti-biblical teachings of Calvinism. Now watch how the Calvinists on this forum twist their way out of this!

 

What you say does not disprove the fact that Jesus tells ALL these murdering Jews, that THEY CAN LIVE if they listen to His voice and respond by ACCEPTING the Gospel for the salvation!

I really cannot understand why [Edited: Name Calling] Calvinists hate the so-called "non elect" so much, whereas the Bible says very clearly that GOD LOVES THEM! What a dreadful system of salvation which is not directed to "the world" as in John 3:16, but to some "elite" people who are so deluded by the LIES they believe in! May the Lord OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

 

I would like to hear from ALL (yes, I really do mean ALL) the Calvinists here, why they think they are "elect"?

 

You still do not address the main point. that ALL those whom here Jesus addresses these words to, are murdering Jews, ALL of whom He offers salvation to. This He only could have done sincerely, IF He had made provision for THEM also in His Atonement. It cannot be that difficult to understand!

 

Listen to Acts 28:26-27

"“‘Go to this people, and say, “You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.” For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed; lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them."

Here the actions of closing their eyes is what sinners do for themselves. This is because they reject the Gospel Message, not because the Lord has not chosen them!

 

your reply shows nothing at all. This doctrine that Calvinism promotes, was NOT part of the Church from the Apostles till Augustine, who is responsible for "predestination" that has been pushed by Calvinism. Are you saying that the Church for about 350 years was wrong? This doctrine has been perverted by Calvinism and is NOT what the Bible teaches

 

Yes, but NOT only the "elect"!

 

Answer the point I have made from the Westminster Confession

 

cop you because you know what it says is blasphemy! This is written by CALVINISTS!