Death before Adam

I agree!... If it is not perhaps... It is what if?... The perhaps and the what ifs never happened but men in their foolish imaginations still want to speculate... Instead of embracing truths they want to chase lies... Brother Glen

 

Death was intended.

Mankind was created natural. That which is natural CAN NOT be born spiritual, unless the natural first DIES.

1Cor.15

1. [36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

 

Death before Adam ~ ?

Yes. One. Called the Word of God.

 

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I think you're making several category errors here.

First you are assuming we are the same physiologically today as we were pre-fall. The bible states that Jesus came "In the form of sinful flesh", so immediately the question arises "What is non sinful flesh look like". The Church sees the fall as dramatic, IE Giant Gems turning into rocks, fluorescent trees into what we see today, and so on. So to assume our bodies are how they were pre-fall is a category error.

Second, this preacher is wrong, Christ was crucified "Before the foundation of the world", all that happens is ordained by His Hand, included in that is death.

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I think the life referenced here would be associated with blood; Animal life.

 

Death BEFORE Adam, is the "killing of the Word" of God, which is accomplished by REJECTING the Word of God, which was accomplished IN Heaven, (By Lucifer), before mankind was created, during the time the earth was being created, which caused Lucifer to become cast down to earth, (losing his holiness, his holy heavenly estate, his name), and becoming an occupant of earth, (his current estate) BEFORE mankind, being dubbed Satan the Devil, the "father" (ie "first"), LIAR, "father" of Lies, the first MURDERER, as Scripture reveals such knowledge.

 

I think you're making several category errors here.

First you are assuming we are the same physiologically today as we were pre-fall. The bible states that Jesus came "In the form of sinful flesh", so immediately the question arises "What is non sinful flesh look like". The Church sees the fall as dramatic, IE Giant Gems turning into rocks, fluorescent trees into what we see today, and so on. So to assume our bodies are how they were pre-fall is a category error.

Second, this preacher is wrong, Christ was crucified "Before the foundation of the world", all that happens is ordained by His Hand, included in that is death.

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Christ's crucifixion was planned before the foundation of the world. He died on the cross in time as specified by the Bible.

 

Plants/trees are not alive in the sense that humans and air breaking animals are alive. You're all making a very specific nomenclature error.

Something was alive in Scripture if it breathed air as we do (had the "breath of life"). During the flood, for instance, God killed all air-breathing humans and land animals. That is not to say He killed everything we would call, today, biologically alive. He was not speaking of plants and trees, nor likely bugs and insects who don't breath as we do, or don't have the "breath of life."

Gen. 1:30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

Gen. 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Gen. 6:17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.

Gen. 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark.

Gen. 7:22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.​

Plants also don't have life in the blood as Reynolds mentioned (Lev. 17:14).

From AiG:

What is the difference between plants and animals or man? For the answer we need to look at the phrase nephesh chayyah. Nephesh chayyah is used in the Bible to describe sea creatures (Genesis 1:20–21), land animals (Genesis 1:24), birds (Genesis 1:30), and man (Genesis 2:7). Nephesh is never used to refer to plants. Man specifically is denoted as nephesh chayyah, a living soul, after God breathed into him the breath of life. This contrasts with God telling the earth on Day Three to bring forth plants (Genesis 1:11). The science of taxonomy, the study of scientific classification, makes the same distinction between plants and animals.​

Since God gave only plants (including their fruits and seeds) as food for man and animals, then Adam, Eve, and all animals and birds were originally vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30). Plants were to be a resource of the earth that God provided for the benefit of nephesh chayyah creatures—both animals and man. Plants did not “die,” as in mût; they were clearly consumed as food. Scripture describes plants as withering (Hebrew yabesh), which means “to dry up.” This term is more descriptive of a plant or plant part ceasing to function biologically.​

.......When plants wither or shed leaves, various organisms, including bacteria and fungi, play an active part in recycling plant matter and thus in providing food for man and animals. These decay agents do not appear to be nephesh chayyah and would also have a life cycle as nutrients are reclaimed through this “very good” biological cycle. As the plant withers, it may produce vibrant colors because, as a leaf ceases to function, the chlorophyll degrades, revealing the colors of previously hidden pigments.​

Since decay involves the breakdown of complex sugars and carbohydrates into simpler nutrients, we see evidence for the Second Law of Thermodynamics before the Fall of mankind. But in the pre-Fall world this process would have been a perfect system, which God described as “very good.”
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Full article:
Do Leaves Die?
by Michael Todhunter

 

Was going to say just this thing.
(TCassidy now doubts himself, lol.)

 

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Perhaps one is trying to make something out of nothing.