Featured Doctrines of Calvinism denying the offer of salvation to the world

I'm not Mormon, I don't believe in second chances, and I did not say half of the stuff you are accusing me of, so please, cool down. And I am posting in the right area as this is a section for differing views. It's what I believe the bible teaches. The problem is that everything stopped at the feast of Pentecost as if there is nothing beyond that. The other feasts are yet future. Such as the millennium and Great White throne. And they all portray God's redemptive plan and salvation.

 

Thanks.
I am not trying to get to the point of accepting Calvinism, just understanding it. With a thorough understanding, acceptance either will or will not come. I understand this guy. T.U.L.I.P. or, The Five Points of Calvinism

I don't understand some of the views on here that seem to be compromising on the hard points if the doctrine.

 

Reynolds, there is only one view of irresistible grace in Reformed theology. God's elect will respond to the effectual call each and every time. Some people will call themselves Calvinists and reject definite atonement (limited atonement), and irresistible grace, but they are anything but Calvinists. I think what you were confused about in previous threads was "double predestination". Does God choose who is going to be saved and who is going to be damned. Did you read that short article I posted? That is the real debate among Reformed theologians, not irresistible grace.


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First, the Bible doesn't teach what you believe. Let's just clear that upfront.
Second, nothing stopped at the feast of Pentacost. God has always saved his chosen ones by grace.
Third, God will continue to choose others until He has crossed off each name written in the Lambs book of life. Those names were written down at the beginning.
Fourth, all the elect will be saved before they die on this planet.
Fifth, this planet is going to have sinning humans on it for a very long time. Over that time God will continue to save by grace.
Sixth, the Bible doesn't teach what you believe.

 

I read it. I am still digesting it.

Are you and Cassidy saying the same thing about irresistible grace?

 

Speaking only for myself, I believe so.


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Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3;Song of Solomon 1:4 )
2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )

3._____ Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.
( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )

4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )

 

They continue on in sin and death and go on to the second death...
14 How then shall they call upon [him] in whom they did not believe? and how shall they believe [on him] of whom they did not hear? and how shall they hear apart from one preaching?

15 and how shall they preach, if they may not be sent? according as it hath been written, `How beautiful the feet of those proclaiming good tidings of peace, of those proclaiming good tidings of the good things!'

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

Election of individuals to salvation is a great mercy...no one deserves it.
Our perfect God is a perfect judge,and A PERFECT SAVIOUR.

 

The only thing I would add to this (to avoid any wiggle room) is that efficacious grace is, indeed, irresistible. Not only does the pecan pie look good, and you do not want to resist it, you cannot resist it.

 

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Thanks. Now, if Cassidy agrees with the above statement, I will be happy and stop asking questions.

 

Sincere questions are good. The truth delights to be investigated.
The more we get on the same page it is easier to move forward and learn more with a view to perform kingdom service and worship.

 

Well I agree with all your points except 1 and 6 (which are the same) LOL. That's otherwise what I've been saying but at the times that the feasts depict fulfilled in an actual historical fulfillment. My whole point in contributing to this thread was reconciling of the two seemingly incompatible doctrines of God's choosing and free will, that they both work and both are right. But perhaps we all only see one facet, thus my blind men and elephant fable.

 

The difference is that the doctrine of God's Sovereign choice is biblically established, while man's free-will is a philosophical idea unsupported by scripture.

In your fable, only the free-will camp is blind and the predestination camp is seeing.

 

You severely misunderstand what I am saying, so I will say no more to you. If I am to debate in a loving and Christian manner, I must answer to you what I believe in. Not what you think I believe in. The real fable is defending what I don't believe in because you think I do. I can't do that. Shalom. שלום