Doctrines of Calvinism denying the offer of salvation to the world

[TCassidy]

It would be more helpful to offer instruction than to civilly call me stupid.

I didn't call you stupid, or any other name. Shame on you!

I posted a bible verse which shows the error of your statement.

 

[Reynolds]

Yes.

He does more than just invite, He commands all men everywhere to repent.

Yes.

Yes. Most do.

You have been given these simple answers over and over again, then a few posts later you ask the same questions again, which you already have the answer to. Is this time going to be any different?

Thank yoh. It appears we believe the same thing. Does what you just said line up with what is being taught in the SBC as Calvinism?

 

[Revmitchell]

You have been given these simple answers over and over again, then a few posts later you ask the same questions again, which you already have the answer to. Is this time going to be any different?

No he hasn't

 

[Revmitchell]

I didn't call you stupid, or any other name. Shame on you!

Do you really not understand what he said? Seriously?

 

[TCassidy]

You chimed in with your own take on things and treated it as if your is the same as the other.

I quoted exactly what he said and showed where the bible says different.

Nothing about what I have said should have told you anything about my position on this.

You have told us over and over, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, what you believe on this issue.

 

[Revmitchell]

Thank yoh. It appears we believe the same thing. Does what you just said line up with what is being taught in the SBC as Calvinism?

Uh no he is just talking past you because everyone including you should know that you are wrong. It appears God has not given you the grace to understand these doctrines correctly so reformed will pray for you.

Being talked past is what one usually gets from reformed folks around here. It is why I stopped discussing these things with them.

 

[TCassidy]

No he hasn't

Tell me which answers you didn't understand and I will explain them to you.

 

[Revmitchell]

Tell me which answers you didn't understand and I will explain them to you.

Yes because you have done such a good job of that so far.

 

[TCassidy]

Thank yoh. It appears we believe the same thing. Does what you just said line up with what is being taught in the SBC as Calvinism?

Depends on who you ask and what form of Calvinism the person believes.

I am not a "Calvinist" in the sense of being a follower of John Calvin, nor do I get my understanding of Soteriology from the writings of men. I get that understanding from the bible.

As for me, I am an unabashed 5 Pointer. I do change a word or two here and there for the sake of clarity, but I adhere to all 5 points of TULIP.

And all of my answers to your questions are predicated on the 5 points of TULIP.

 

[TCassidy]

Yes because you have done such a good job of that so far.

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

 

[TCassidy]

Do you really not understand what he said?

I do. You apparently don't.

 

[Revmitchell]

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

You haven't explained anything all you have done is talked past people. Its rude behavior and not helpful for intelligent discussion.

 

[TCassidy]

Uh no he is just talking past you because everyone including you should know that you are wrong. It appears God has not given you the grace to understand these doctrines correctly so reformed will pray for you.

Please try to follow the discussion. He was responding to me and my post, not to reformed or any of his posts.

He asked for simple answers to his questions. I provided the simplest answers possible. Where possible a simple "yes" sufficed.

Being talked past is what one usually gets from reformed folks around here. It is why I stopped discussing these things with them.

Again, he was responding to me, not to reformed.

 

[TCassidy]

You haven't explained anything all you have done is talked past people. Its rude behavior and not helpful for intelligent discussion.

Again, tell me what you didn't understand and I will try to explain it to you.

 

[Reynolds]

Depends on who you ask and what form of Calvinism the person believes.

I am not a "Calvinist" in the sense of being a follower of John Calvin, nor do I get my understanding of Soteriology from the writings of men. I get that understanding from the bible.

As for me, I am an unabashed 5 Pointer. I do change a word or two here and there for the sake of clarity, but I adhere to all 5 points of TULIP.

And all of my answers to your questions are predicated on the 5 points of TULIP.

I have questions about "irresistible grace." I honestly have not understood your answers about it. I understand you to say that irresistable grace can be resisted. That honestly confuses me.

 

[Reformed]

What I think you are missing is the answers given are unclear and he is simply asking for clarification.

Perhaps they are unclear to him, but a few of us have taken great pains to be clear and concise. Sometimes you need time to breath in order to process information. Take a step back and mull it over.


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[Reformed]

If it is true that a regenerate person can only choose according to their nature (that which is spiritual) therefore they will choose God each and every time then would that not lead to perfection? Would it not also be true that the regenerate person will only and ever choose to do God's will? Would it not be impossible for regenerate person to sin?

Or does this choosing of God only apply to salvation?

Your last question is the answer. I don't know of any Reformed theologian who believes/believed that irresistible grace leads to sinless perfection. The regenerate man is able to sin and able not to sin (posse pecare, posse non pecare). Unregenerate man is not able not to sin (non posse non pecare). While the regenerate man still struggles against sin, his will has still been liberated through the new birth.


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[Reynolds]

Perhaps they are unclear to him, but a few of us have taken great pains to be clear and concise. Sometimes you need sometime to breath in order to process information. Take a step back and mull it over.


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I admit that you are trying and have been very helpful. My point of current confusion is that three of you seem to be saying totally different things about the "I" in TULIP.

 

[liafailrock]

You misunderstand "anyone" as a universal statement.

The gospel will be understood by those whom God elects to understand. The gospel will be foolishness to all others.

God will reveal His gospel, during a person's life on earth, to all who are chosen to receive the good news. God will do this by any means He so chooses.

Those who die in their sins, die that way because they were never capable of understanding the gospel. They were always dead in their trespasses and sins. God is under no obligation to make them alive in Christ. He is the Sovereign King and it is His choice and His alone to make.

OK, let's then use the verse where Christ said he'd be lifted up and draw all men unto him. You really believe God chooses for some people not to understand so they be condemned? Seriously? I was saying not all are called now. As a matter of fact we've all been deceived, including you, (Revelation 12:9). We have to be glad for the grace received. But God is only electing some now, in this age. That does not mean others are not later called. Again, the feasts depict this.

 

[MennoSota]

OK, let's then use the verse where Christ said he'd be lifted up and draw all men unto him. You really believe God chooses for some people not to understand so they be condemned? Seriously? I was saying not all are called now. As a matter of fact we've all been deceived, including you, (Revelation 12:9). We have to be glad for the grace received. But God is only electing some now, in this age. That does not mean others are not later called. Again, the feasts depict this.

I really believe that God says no one seeks God, not even one.

I really believe that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

I really believe that the wages of sin is death.

I really believe that all humans are dead in their trespasses and sins.
I really believe that God chooses whom he wills to make alive in Christ by his sovereign will.

I really believe that a holy God is under no obligation to pardon filthy sinners from their just condemnation under God's law.

Those names not written in the Lambs book of life are not pardoned. There is no "second chance" in the afterlife.

Take your Mormon theology elsewhere.