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Featured Doctrines of Calvinism denying the offer of salvation to the world

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, Jul 10, 2017.

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  1. TCassidy

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    I didn't call you stupid, or any other name. Shame on you!

    I posted a bible verse which shows the error of your statement.
     
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    Thank yoh. It appears we believe the same thing. Does what you just said line up with what is being taught in the SBC as Calvinism?
     
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    No he hasn't
     
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    Do you really not understand what he said? Seriously?
     
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    I quoted exactly what he said and showed where the bible says different.

    You have told us over and over, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, what you believe on this issue.
     
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    Uh no he is just talking past you because everyone including you should know that you are wrong. It appears God has not given you the grace to understand these doctrines correctly so reformed will pray for you.

    Being talked past is what one usually gets from reformed folks around here. It is why I stopped discussing these things with them.
     
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    Tell me which answers you didn't understand and I will explain them to you.
     
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    Yes because you have done such a good job of that so far. :Rolleyes
     
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    Depends on who you ask and what form of Calvinism the person believes.

    I am not a "Calvinist" in the sense of being a follower of John Calvin, nor do I get my understanding of Soteriology from the writings of men. I get that understanding from the bible.

    As for me, I am an unabashed 5 Pointer. I do change a word or two here and there for the sake of clarity, but I adhere to all 5 points of TULIP.

    And all of my answers to your questions are predicated on the 5 points of TULIP.
     
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    I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
     
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    I do. You apparently don't.
     
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    You haven't explained anything all you have done is talked past people. Its rude behavior and not helpful for intelligent discussion.
     
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    Please try to follow the discussion. He was responding to me and my post, not to reformed or any of his posts.

    He asked for simple answers to his questions. I provided the simplest answers possible. Where possible a simple "yes" sufficed.

    Again, he was responding to me, not to reformed.
     
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    Again, tell me what you didn't understand and I will try to explain it to you.
     
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    I have questions about "irresistible grace." I honestly have not understood your answers about it. I understand you to say that irresistable grace can be resisted. That honestly confuses me.
     
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    Perhaps they are unclear to him, but a few of us have taken great pains to be clear and concise. Sometimes you need time to breath in order to process information. Take a step back and mull it over.


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    Your last question is the answer. I don't know of any Reformed theologian who believes/believed that irresistible grace leads to sinless perfection. The regenerate man is able to sin and able not to sin (posse pecare, posse non pecare). Unregenerate man is not able not to sin (non posse non pecare). While the regenerate man still struggles against sin, his will has still been liberated through the new birth.


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    I admit that you are trying and have been very helpful. My point of current confusion is that three of you seem to be saying totally different things about the "I" in TULIP.
     
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    OK, let's then use the verse where Christ said he'd be lifted up and draw all men unto him. You really believe God chooses for some people not to understand so they be condemned? Seriously? I was saying not all are called now. As a matter of fact we've all been deceived, including you, (Revelation 12:9). We have to be glad for the grace received. But God is only electing some now, in this age. That does not mean others are not later called. Again, the feasts depict this.
     
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    I really believe that God says no one seeks God, not even one.

    I really believe that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    I really believe that the wages of sin is death.

    I really believe that all humans are dead in their trespasses and sins.
    I really believe that God chooses whom he wills to make alive in Christ by his sovereign will.

    I really believe that a holy God is under no obligation to pardon filthy sinners from their just condemnation under God's law.

    Those names not written in the Lambs book of life are not pardoned. There is no "second chance" in the afterlife.

    Take your Mormon theology elsewhere.
     
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