Reformed Churches Join Catholic-Lutheran Accord Regarding Justification

Well thank you for clearing this up. From this work we can see that orthodox teaching and the Baptist version are very much at odds.

 

Talk to our consecrated religious and you will find that to them the joys of uniting themselves fully and completely to Christ far outweigh the joys of matrimony. The Church denies them nothing, they freely embrace their calling of living a celibate life - as did St. Paul.


"Making the Eucharist a sacrifice rather than a sacrament denies the finished saving sacrifice of Christ". It does no such thing. It is simply called the "Sacrifice of the Mass", meaning a re-presentation of the ONE sacrifice on Calvary.

 

Good case Is the Sadducees vs Jesus Christ. In order to make fun of Jesus they chose to attack a particular scripture called TOBIT.

Tobit is a story of a woman who in the plot has been married 7 times but all her husbands were killed by a demon and required a brother/next of kid to marry. Thats the plot of Tobit.

The 8th guy Tobias has help from Angel Raphael to avoid being killed.

The Idea a woman got married 7 times to all brothers thats pretty insane. And the Saducees thought the same thing when they decided to POKE JESUS with this scripture, and we see Jesus Acknowledge it is scripture "not understanding the Scriptures"

Matthew 22

23On that day some Sadducees (who say there is no resurrection) came to Jesus and questioned Him,24asking, “Teacher, Moses said, ‘IF A MAN DIES HAVING NO CHILDREN, HIS BROTHER AS NEXT OF KIN SHALL MARRY HIS WIFE, AND RAISE UP CHILDREN FOR HIS BROTHER.’ 25“Now there were seven brothers with us; and the first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother; 26so also the second, and the third, down to the seventh.27“Last of all, the woman died. 28“In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her.”

29But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31“But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:32‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.





Here is a ANOTHER CHALLENGE:

2 Timothy 3
8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. 9But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.


Sounds like our Calvinist buddies.^ Now Jesus, Paul, The Apostles, The Church we know who Jannes and Jambres is who opposed Moses.

Show me the verse in the old testamet that has the names Jannes and Jambres.

^its not in your old testament because your old testament is fake anti-christian product made decades after the death of Jesus.

 

Actually, its inspired text written/recorded down for us by the Masoretic scribes!

 

Wow, you really do bury your head in the sand when it comes to your church leaders, Adonia. The lawsuits throughout the world tell a different story.

 

Well then why does Jesus and the apostles quote the Septuagint?


Also show me in scripture who is Jannes and Jambres. Show me biblically who they are with bible evidence.

 

1 Corinthians 7

32But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; 33but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife,

 

Except for all the pedophile priests...

Utilyan you are the master of abusing the scriptures for your own selfish purposes.

Shake my head.

 

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No, I just have known personally many celibate religious and they are some of the most holy and content followers of Jesus Christ that I have ever known.

As for clergy sex abuse, it is also rampant amongst non-Catholic clergy and indefensible when done by anyone. I could repeat here news story after news story of Baptist ministers who have done such evil deeds but we all know it's the Catholic clergy who do such things who get the most press.

 

Of course you do. I also know some holy and content followers of Mohammed, but that doesn't make there theology any more valid.

 

I never said anything, I just quoted scripture. By all means give me your exegesis.


1 Corinthians 7

32But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; 33but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife,

 

Why don't you give your exegesis of 1 Corinthains 7:2? 'Nevertheless because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife and let each woman have her own husband........it is better to marry than to burn' (v.7).

This from Donald Cozzens a leading Roman Catholic priest in America:

'An NBC report on celibacy and the clergy found that "anywhere from 23% and 58% of the [Roman] Catholic clergy have a homosexual orientation. Other studies find that approximately half of American priests and seminarians are homosexually orientated......Moreover, the percentage of gay men among religious congregations of priests I believed to be even higher........At issue at the beginning of the 21st Century is the growing perception-- one seldom contested by those who know the priesthood well-- that the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession. [Donald B. Cozzens, 'The changing face of the Priesthood: A Reflection of the Priest's Crisis of soul.' The Liturgical Press, 2000]]

 

All the RC sacraments apart from matrimony/holy orders involve the physical experience - water, bread and wine, oil, etc.
Would you baptize without water, or recognize marriage without consummation, or anointing without oil?
Scripture specifically says:

Marriage is honourable for all
A bishop should be blameless, the husband of one wife​

No church dogma can possibly be justified that forbids marriage to its officers.

 

And how does the agreed doctrine of justification apply when you have confession/penance as sacraments?

 

And the same can be said about your theology - the theology of rejectionism.

 

Sure. The difference is that the Bible drives my theology while the commentaries of your church drive your theology.
It's no different than the Jewish Temple system that relied upon Jewish commentaries to interpret the law. Jesus pointed out how wrong they were in trusting tradition over scripture.
Your church is just like the Jewish Temple system. It adds a layer of commentary that is very often wrong. The primary text (scripture) does not agree with the Roman commentaries that often pervert the scriptures.

We have addressed the sacraments and veneration of Mary as just some of the perversions of Rome. The worst, however, is the adding of works for salvation and calling those works "grace." Many, many Romanists are in hell because they heard the church, but never heard the Savior.

 

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

HankD

 

God gives the gift of celibacy, but he did NOT give to us Priests who all have to be in that state!
Even your "pope" peter had a wife, correct?

 

How about all your pedophile Baptist pastors and youth workers?? Should you be throwing stones? Oh, and read especially the link to the 'cover-ups'.

StopBaptistPredators.org

hushitup

 

I never made a comment about how wonderful church leadership is. That was Adonia.
There is deep corruption in each one of us. By out own merit we utterly fall and God's law justly condemns us all to eternal damnation.
We desperately need a Redeemer and one who chooses to pardon us purely by grace.

As is often the case, you and the Romanists miss the forest for the trees.