Arminianism and Calvinism

You still don't get it, do you?
In all three scenarios only one blind child get saved, and of course that's pure supposition. The Great Crowd of Revelation 7 is so vast that no one can count it, so why do people assume it's really small? But the Crowd persists in singing, "salvation belongs to our God." And so it does. So where do you get off telling Him how many he's got to save?

And another thing; if you have a judge who lets all the criminals go free, what do you do with him? You fire him. He's not doing his job.

 

The trouble with this is that nobody gets saved. 'There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable.....' and so on (Romans 3:11-18).

"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil' (John 3:19).

'Unless the LORD of hosts had left to us a very small remnant, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been made like Gomorrah' (Isaiah 1:9).

'But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honour and another for dishonour? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory......' (Romans 9:20-23).

 

No they don't, you have no idea what you are talking about. Ever thought of FIRST learning them, then commenting so you don't embarrass yourself online?

 

Exactly, what these pagans don't get is that the Bible teaches us Definite Atonement, that is God saved exactly who He wanted to save. The pagan Arminianism teaches God is a desperate beggar, sending His Son to die (Oh what if they in their free will didn't kill Christ?), there Christ died, yet not one man came forward in his free will.

This is the teaching of the Roman Church, and the hinge of the Reformation, these uneducated people debating you don't understand they are defending Rome. In Luthers Opus, "Bondage of the Will" he thanked Erasmus that he didn't bother Luther with minor things, but went right to the heart of the issue, THE WILL, that man has volition, but by no means free will, GOD HAS FREE WILL, denied by Arminians, but yeah it's sick to see this ignorance, even if you said God and man has a free will (Which we don't), the question is "whose is more powerful".

If man had free will, no guarantee Judas would betray Christ, hey they might have made Him King, but these guys have to have the Spirit to understand Spiritual things, so don't bang your head, they are like talking to a wall, you give them scripture, they give you philosophy of fallen man, so good luck!!

 

Can you make it so I can PM you, please?

 

"How to Debate", by A. Calvinist.


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Yes, both Arminianism and Calvinism are based in part on false theology, but unless you have a biblically supported alternative, you are just providing heat rather than light, in my opinion.

Arminianism correctly asserts Christ died for all mankind, those saved or would be saved, and those not saved, and would not be saved. Arminianism also correctly asserts that we are chosen through faith in the truth.

Calvinism correctly asserts once a person is saved, they are saved forever and cannot lose their salvation.

But for years, not one advocate of either view has been willing to objectively address the scriptures that demonstrate their false theology doctrines. Instead we get, the verse does not mean what it says, and those that disagree with the false theology do not know what they are talking about.

So SheepWisperer, are you willing to actually answer questions about your understanding of the passages that demonstrate these two views are false theology?

 

Well there is this exchange from Sunday in another thread:

Whereupon I replied:

And MennoSota said:

Calvary Chapels largest church, Harvest of Riverside, CA, joins the SBC

So, God creates cults (the "chaff") so he can destroy them on Judgment Day.
MennoSota says God does not need to do this.
Therefore, God must be doing this for his pleasure.
So, there you have it. God creates people so he can take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.



You're welcome.

 

So Calv1 is still questioning other members ' salvation, with a backhanded "pagan Arminians" comment?

If only the forum rules were as easy to understand as the Five Points.

 

Question 1, which of the following doctrines do you thing are unbiblical?

Natural, unregenerate Men of Flesh have the innate ability to understand the milk of the gospel.
God chose foreseen individuals before the foundation of the world for salvation
God chose foreseen individuals before the foundation of the world unconditionally.
Christ's sacrifice paid only for the sins of the previously chosen elect.
We are automatically saved when we profess Jesus as Lord and Savior.​

 

Many people say that God still is sovereign in salvation, bu how can He really be if He is still waiting to see what we will do?

 

This is a stawman, who ever said; made the claim, or even implied that God is waiting to see what we will do?

 

Lately a lot of these attacks are allowed where they once were not.