My Theological Stance after Searching with All of My Heart

I edited my post some more after you posted.

 

Both Calvin and Luther had the big mistake problem of trying to get the RCC to reform internally, but they should have took the truth God revealed to them and made a clean break with Rome, as they , especially calvin, rediscovered true biblical salvation, but they did not reform far enough, as basically kept still a lot of the RCC views on sacraments and E scatology for example.

 

You were mistaken, but you did not knowingly lie!

 

NONE of those facts get mentioned in many church history texts!

 

That's Whitefield, even though it's pronounced as you spelled it. He was aptly named.

 

I am sorry for saying you lied. If what JonC said is a correct distinction between telling falsehoods and lying --then you told falsehoods. But please be careful when making severe charges against someone unless you check it out first.

You seem to be a teachable guy, and for that I am thankful.

How long has it been since you had those classes?

Of course we tend to respect our teachers, but if some decent amount of time has gone by we should be able to re-evaluate what we have been taught. We need to check things out for ourselves.

Over the years here on the BB there have been a number of posters who have said wickedly false things about Calvin.
I got trigger-happy to nip it in the bud.

Thank you for your submissive spirit Steven.

 

The two men were as different as day and night. Luther was like a bull in a China shop. Calvin was much more mild --not a natural fighter as Luther was. But God raised up Luther to go back to the Bible. Calvin was more reserved --a thinker and organizer. And the latter was more pastoral than Luther.

Luther could be like a volcano at times -like his treatment of Zwingli. If nine points could be agreed upon one point of difference tee him off. Calvin believed if he could spend two hours with someone face to face he would be able to persuade them to agree with him. His interactions with Bullinger, for instance.

Calvin admired Luther very much and said he would still love him even if he was called a devil. Now that's saying something.

 

Calvin became a citizen in Geneva in 1559.

That was two years earlier in 1534.

Actually Calvin was a witness for the prosecution.

It was not hanging, but beheading.

 

On the contrary, most do mention actual historical facts.

 

If you have listened to Van, I'm afraid you do not understand John 6:39-40 at all. He has a theological system that is utterly crazy, but which he is determined to try and push upon the unwary on this board.
There is nothing vague about God the Father giving the Son a people to redeem. It is repeated in John 10:29 and John 17:2, 6. Outside of John's Gospel, the clearest place to see this teaching is probably Ephesians 1:3-14. Here the work in salvation of Father Son and Holy Spirit is explained. In verses 3-6, it is the Father who has chosen His people in eternity past and predestined them to be adopted as sons, 'to the praise of His glorious grace.' In verses 6-12, it is the work of the Son who has redeemed these same people by the shedding of His blood, 'to the praise of His glory.' In verses 13-14, the Holy Spirit seals those same people to the day of redemption-- the Spirit Himself being the seal guaranteeing the redemption of 'those who are God's possession-- to the praise of His glory.'

What astonishing mercy and power:
In accord with his pleasure and will
He created each planet, each flower,
Every galaxy, microbe, and hill.
He suspended the planet in space
To the praise of his glorious grace.

With despicable self-love and rage,
We rebelled and fell under the curse.
Yet God did not rip out the page
And destroy all who love the perverse.
No, he chose us to make a new race,
To the praise of his glorious grace.

Providentially ruling all things
To conform to the end he designed,
He mysteriously governs, and brings
His eternal wise plans into time.
He works out every step, every trace,
To the praise of his glorious grace.

Long before the creation began,
He foreknew those he’d ransom in Christ;
Long before time’s cold hour-glass ran,
He ordained the supreme sacrifice.
In the cross he removed our disgrace,
To the praise of his glorious grace.

We were blessed in the heavenly realms
Long before being included in Christ.
Since we heard the good news, overwhelmed,
We reach forward to seize Paradise.
We shall see him ourselves, face to face,
To the praise of his glorious grace.

Don Carson

 

What has that to do with what I said?

You stated that Calvin was not a citizen of Geneva until his death in 1564.

I simply told you that he became a citizen of Geneva in 1559.

You claimed he fled France in 1536. I said no, it was two years earlier in 1534. Allow me to be even more specific --it was mid-October during the Placard Affair.

I had told you that Calvin was a witness for the prosecution of Servetus. It's an historical fact.

You claimed that Calvin pled for the hanging of Servetus. I told you that you were mistaken. Calvin pleaded for a more merciful beheading --not hanging.