Why not address my view, rather than manufacture a strawman distortion to knock down? We can all be duped, and invest ourselves in a culture or view that misses the mark. But when our mistake comes to light, we need to recognize our error and change our thinking. How about Robert E. Lee led many of our Confederate soldiers to their needless death in defense of the abomination that was slavery. Sorta puts the man sitting on Traveler in his true light.
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Monument Contemplation
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Why not address my view, rather than manufacture a strawman distortion to knock down? We can all be duped, and invest ourselves in a culture or view that misses the mark. But when our mistake comes to light, we need to recognize our error and change our thinking. How about Robert E. Lee led many of our Confederate soldiers to their needless death in defense of the abomination that was slavery. Sorta puts the man sitting on Traveler in his true light.
Now why would the deniers want to change the subject from the needless monuments to my limited knowledge? As Christ died to make men holy, let us die to make men free... His truth is marching on.
That was your argument against my post (I recognized slavery as well as a host of other issues....which you concluded were merely fabrications of my culture). So no, he is not being disingenuous at all.Don't you think it was disingenuous to add "all" to my view that the Civil war was about slavery?
I am not accusing you of misrepresenting my view. I claimed that the war was over issues that included not only slavery but a host of other factors. You disagreed, which is perfectly fine as it gave us an argument.
You have my apology if it appeared I was suggesting you misrepresented my view as my intent was to challenge your argument, not your integrity.
I agree with @Van that people had many reasons for fighting the Civil War. Reading soldier's letters from the era it seems to me the primary reason individuals fought was a sense of allegiance to their state, home or communities. But beyond that, I believe the many issues that came to divide the North and South over four decades manifested itself in the issue of slavery.
More insults and no discussion of the topic.
Whereas your approach seems to be to hide ignorance with insult. Not impressive or worthwhile.
Folks, returning to the topic, replacing the needless monuments of Confederates with monuments teaching the abomination of slavery took the lives of many Americans, North and South, black and white would be a good thing.
Let me see, it would be ok for me to change your "no" to "yes" and put it in quotes to present it as your statement?
But two wrongs do not make a right.
Once in boot camp, in our barracks, a commotion occurred and a group of solders grabbed a fellow boot and were dragging him to the back. I will never forget the thief's protest, "he left the wallet on his bunk so he deserved to have it stolen." Now, more than 50 years later, I hear another protest, Van deserved to have his view misrepresented. Go figure.
We can all be duped, and invest ourselves in a culture or view that misses the mark. But when our mistake comes to light, we need to recognize our error and change our thinking. How about Robert E. Lee led many of our Confederate soldiers to their needless death in defense of the abomination that was slavery. Perhaps puts the man sitting on Traveler in his true light
We can all be duped, and invest ourselves in a culture or view that misses the mark. But when our mistake comes to light, we need to recognize our error and change our thinking. How about Robert E. Lee led many of our Confederate soldiers to their needless death in defense of the abomination that was slavery. Perhaps puts the man sitting on Traveler in his true light
Hi Reynolds, the war was not started with the Emancipation Proclamation, it was started when the slave states left the union after Lincoln's election because they thought that was the only way to preserve slavery.
Returning to topic, replacing the needless monuments of Confederates with monuments teaching the abomination of slavery took the lives of many Americans, North and South, black and white would be a good thing.
In my lifetime, smoking was viewed as an appropriate activity. It was not a sin. I carried a pack of cigarettes in my shirt pocket in church. People would light up right after leaving the service. But we changed. I have not smoked in more than 30 years, but my daughter, who grew up with a smoking dad, smokes to this day. My sinful imprint!
And not to put to fine a point on it, but slavery was just as sinful as smoking, andt its imprint still fostered by monuments, continues to harm us all.
Returning to topic, replacing the needless monuments of Confederates with monuments teaching the abomination of slavery took the lives of many Americans, North and South, black and white would be a good thing.
In my lifetime, smoking was viewed as an appropriate activity. It was not a sin. I carried a pack of cigarettes in my shirt pocket in church. People would light up right after leaving the service. But we changed. I have not smoked in more than 30 years, but my daughter, who grew up with a smoking dad, smokes to this day. My sinful imprint!
And not to put to fine a point on it, but slavery was just as sinful as smoking, andt its imprint still fostered by monuments, continues to harm us all.
You rightly and strongly acknowledged that slavery was not the only issue of the Civil War.
Why do you believe that, since slavery was not the only issue of the Civil War, Confederate monuments are monuments to slavery? How does the imprint of slavery continue to harm us all, and how will removing these monuments remove this imprint?
Hi JonC, this thread is evidence of continuing harm today.
Slavery was the primary cause of the civil war.
Replacing the Confederate monuments with those showing the advocates of human rights would not eliminate the imprint of slavery, but it would be a step in that direction.
Here is short list of replacement monuments
George Lee
Lamar Smith
Willie Edwards Jr
William Lewis Moore
Medgar Evers
Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson and Cynthia Wesley
James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Henry Schwerner
Viola Gregg Liuzzo,
Mark Twain
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Slavery was the primary cause of the civil war.
Replacing the Confederate monuments with those showing the advocates of human rights would not eliminate the imprint of slavery, but it would be a step in that direction.
Here is short list of replacement monuments
George Lee
Lamar Smith
Willie Edwards Jr
William Lewis Moore
Medgar Evers
Addie Mae Collins, Denise McNair, Carole Robertson and Cynthia Wesley
James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Henry Schwerner
Viola Gregg Liuzzo,
Mark Twain
Harriet Beecher Stowe