Featured "Wrath of God" as used in the Scriptures

What is true is that faith comes from hearing the gospel. Romans 10:17 the power in salvation is the gospel. Romans 1:16 God made us in His image. Genesis 1:26 While sin has corrupted that image we do not have a total inability. Scripture no where indicates that. Any ability to believe comes from God and being made in His image. Salvation is offered by God because He is the one with the power and authority to give it. Receiving that gift in no way gives room for claiming credit for obtaining that gift. Its all God.

 

Saving faith itself is a gift God gives towards His own though.

 

Scripture does not bear that out. The power of salvation comes from the gospel.

 

The Lord uses the Gospel message to save sinners, that is true, but the ones saved by hearing it are given saving faith from Him!

 

Show me this extra faith that only applies to salvation.

 

Galatians 2:8-10

 

I don't know what is is with you cals but when you post verses you must always break the verse down and explain how you reached your position. Just posting a passage does not give an answer.

 

Salvation by grace through faith is not "works based salvation." Paul taught specifically the opposite, salvation by grace through faith is not works.

Agedman's views once again have been demonstrated to be unbiblical.

 

Agedman claims my words say what they obviously do not say, then asks me to deal with my own words.
He again claims salvation by grace through faith is works based, but Paul teaches otherwise. Just read Romans 4:2-5 folks, his premise is once again unbiblical.

Here is the biblical position, all our works of righteousness, when we were unsaved, is as filthy rags to God. So our faith has no merit or worth before God. Agedman claims that our faith must have merit, which is unbiblical once again. The reason God credits our faith as righteousness, is by itself our faith is not righteous, it is worthless. God turns, so to speak, a sows ear into a silk purse. Thus we are saved by God's grace and not by our will. Roman's 9:16 teaches salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved, or works to be saved, but upon God who has mercy upon whom He chooses.

And pay no attention to his implication my view, the biblical view, suggests salvation is not all of God. It is as I have explained over and over again.

The ungodly lost spiritually dead individuals first put their wholehearted trust in Christ, and then if God credits that faith as righteousness, He transfers them into Christ where they undergo the circumcision of Christ, the washing of regeneration and arise in Christ a new creation, made righteous, blameless and perfect. Thus the justification occurs after God puts a believer into Christ.

 

Returning to topic, the wrath of God. When the lost sin, they store up for themselves the wrath of God, which are the adverse consequences they would receive as just punishment for their sin. However, if they put their whole hearted trust in Christ, and God credits their faith as righteousness, He transfers them into Christ, who provides the propitiatory shelter from God's wrath. Romans 3:25 indicates God set forth or presented Christ as the place of propitiation (propitiatory shelter) accessible through faith in His blood.

 

I see Agedman continues to claim salvation by grace through faith is a works based salvation. His position is unbiblical. Here is the biblical position, all our works of righteousness, when we were unsaved, are as filthy rags to God. So our faith has no merit or worth before God. Agedman claims that our faith must have merit, which is unbiblical once again. The reason God credits our faith as righteousness, is by itself our faith is not righteous, it is worthless. God turns, so to speak, a sows ear into a silk purse. Thus we are saved by God's grace and not by our will. Roman's 9:16 teaches salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved, or works to be saved, but upon God who has mercy upon whom He chooses.

 

Agedman wants to change the subject, but scripture cannot be broken.

[Van]"spiritually dead individuals first put their wholehearted trust in Christ, and then if God credits that faith as righteous, He transfers them..."

[Agedman] You can't even acknowledge what you wrote as being a work based salvation and recant!

[Van]I Agedman continues to claim salvation by grace through faith is a works based salvation.

Returning to the biblical view: Here is the biblical position, all our works of righteousness, when we were unsaved, are as filthy rags to God. So our faith has no merit or worth before God. Agedman claims that our faith must have merit, which is unbiblical once again. The reason God credits our faith as righteousness, is by itself our faith is not righteous, it is worthless. God turns, so to speak, a sows ear into a silk purse. Thus we are saved by God's grace and not by our will. Roman's 9:16 teaches salvation does not depend on the person who wills to be saved, or works to be saved, but upon God who has mercy upon whom He chooses.

 

For it is by grace that we are now saved, thru faith, and even THAT faith itself is the gift of God.
Pauls main emphasis is that ALL of salvation comes to us as the gift of God!

 

No its not. There are no other verses you can pull from to even begin to go there.

 

Even though the greek construct would support that the faith itself is also a gift from/of God?