Featured Theory of atonement, do you have one?

If Isaiah 53 is the clearest passage in terms of stating that God was wrathful towards Christ then you definitely have problems.

Why can you not provide the verse and put in bold the words that state God was wrathful to Christ? Is it because it is your tradition and not Scripture.

 

SCRIPTURE PLEASE

 

Again, your accounting system is not Scripture. Why should someone who takes Scripture literally adopt your additions? That's what you have to answer. You criticize others not for rejecting the Bible but for not accepting your extra-biblical explanations. You can't just explain away Scripture, brother. You can't just keep repeating your view as if it were Scripture and expect a literate person not to object.

Post the passage and put in bold the words proving your presuppositions. You can't because you are wrong here. Why you keep on is beyond me.

 

I know you believe you agree with Calvin and Luther. And I respect that at least you know where you stand.

I agree with Scripture - that is my authority. Not Calvin and not Luther. When you ask me to explain my belief I will give you Scripture (and I can highlight in bold where my belief is stated). As I said, we will not come to an agreement because we hold different ideas about what constitutes authority for our belief. I hold to Scripture alone.

 

All I offered of my view was Scripture (without commentary, BTW), but you couldn't even find one passage that stated God was wrathful to Jesus. Instead you offered Calvin and Luther. So you are not being exactly honest here.

 

Let me ask you this: when Scripture talks about God's Righteous One, His Holy One, His Anointed One, His Messiah, His Christ....Whom He will not abandon....to whom do you believe it is referring? Give a passave stating God was wrathful to Jesus

 

"My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

 

To clarify, I was referring to Y1's theory of abandoning meaning a separation. I do believe God left Christ to the Cross to suffer and die (God did not rescue him from death but delivered Him out of it).

Do you believe God withdrew His presence rather than withheld deliverance?

 

I believe God withdrew the perfect fellowship they had previously had until the sin debt was paid.

 

What does the "perfect fellowship" which God withdrew entail?

 

The Hypostasis of the Godhead.

 

I don't think that you understand that "forsaken" does not mean "separated from". "The Forsaken" by Tim Tzouliadis tells of Americans who immigrated to Russia during the 1930's. He considers them forsaken by America because our government did not make an effort to deliver them under Stalin's rein. It's not that our government put them there and abandoned them, but that we abandoned them in the sense we did not take them out of the situation).

I believe Jesus was literally forsaken. Scripture tells us that the Jews considered Jesus stricken, struck down by God and afflicted and they crucified Him. God forsook Him in that He did not deliver Christ from that situation but through it. And this is the hope we have in Christ - that God is faithful to the righteous (as Scripture says, regardless as to your theory).

 

In such a way as to create a division between the persons of the Trinity? If so, a division in what? The divine nature, or will?

I understand what you are saying, but I do not understand how this would be manifested within the Godhead.