Featured Retribultion Theology

God punished sin with the passion of Christ, including scurging, beatings, humiliation, crucifixion etc..

 

Only if you want to argue that there is no such thing as retributive justice.

 

False dichotomy again. There are no sins unless someone commits them, and no sinners unless they commit sins. God hates sin and punishes those who commit them. Praise God He has punished me for mine in Jesus Christ.
'Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate.......' (1 Timothy 1:9).

 

As I say, it's a false dichotomy that leads us into empty speculation, but if you insist, God punishes sinners for their sins.

 

Well plainly "an eye for an eye" is retributive justice. To be sure it's a limitation, but if it wasn't, it wouldn't be justice, would it?

"Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; wives of Lamech, listen to my speech. For I have killed a man for wounding me, even a young man for hurting me. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold" (Genesis 4:23).

That is retribution, but it's not justice. Christians are told to leave retribution to God (Romans 12:19).

 

I think you'll find He can. Isaiah 53:4-6. As I say, it's a false dichotomy.

 

OK, does God believe in punishment for sin: YES!

Genesis 19:15, Psalms 94:23, and so many curses found in the bible for sin that I don't feel in the mood to find more.

What of Romans 12:19 and Romans 13:3-4? Of course God will punish the wicked in the next world and maybe even in this one, if He gets exactly what He wants: just rulers.

Is pain always caused by sin? No, just look at Job and Jesus.

I guess I fail to see the point of this argument and must step away. It seems you guys are doing what Medieval and Early Christian theologians did: argue over minutiae as you try to describe a God beyond knowing to the point of giving advice (Romans 11:33-36).

 

I think something that everyone is missing is that the New Testament forgiveness of sins is not a Western courtroom drama like how we are normally told. That Jesus died in our place as an innocent man dying for the guilty man. Like an innocent man can simply tell the warden that he will die for the convict instead. That makes no sense to the bible or our own customs. I also see no evidence of this perspective in the bible.

Instead, I see a courtroom drama before Solomon or Deborah. Where you have a guilty person who is repentant and allowed to live (a remarkable thing in the OT and in line with the bible) but in addition they are atoned for mysteriously by a sacrifice on the altar and made right with God Himself, the chief Person sinned against. In this way the full recompense of their sin is forgiven, something that didn't even happen for David when he repented of adultery with Bathsheba and murdering Uriah. He still lost a young child and was deposed by his son Absalom according to God's will.

 

Good luck with restoring the guy's eye!

 

Jesus was the Sin Bearer before the father for us, and God treated Him as if he who knew no sin had became sin for us!

 

You keep on rejecting the wrath of God that must be poured out upon those who have sinned, and that was the very Cup of suffering jesus experienced!