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PSA - Prostate-specific antigen, or PSA, is a protein produced by normal, as well as malignant, cells of the prostate gland. The PSA test measures the level of PSA in a man's blood. For this test, a blood sample is sent to a laboratory for analysis.
Whole lot better than then hearing the snap of that rubber glove!
The false teaching within the Penal Theory of Atonement is the view that God demanded physical punishment in order to forgive sins.
There is no Scriptural support of this thinking.
Because of this false demand, the view abounds with the idea that God "cannot look upon sin," the "wrath of God was poured out upon the Son," and that "God demanded justice and payment because sin is a debt owed to God."
Again, not one of those statements is Scriptural.
There is no Scriptural support of this thinking.
Because of this false demand, the view abounds with the idea that God "cannot look upon sin," the "wrath of God was poured out upon the Son," and that "God demanded justice and payment because sin is a debt owed to God."
Again, not one of those statements is Scriptural.
So there is no real wrath of God directs towards sinners in the judgement, and that If God actually was pouring his wrath upon jesus would not be fair?
Prove by Scriptures God “poured out His wrath on the Son?”
If you cannot, it is unscriptural.
Does he pour it upon the lost sinners ?
Are you proclaiming Christ was a lost sinner?
No, but that while upon the Cross, the Father treated Him as if he were....
Again, there is no Scripture support for this thinking.
Jesus was being treated as if he had sinned Himself when he bore our sins...
To have such a view, one must see God as able to be displeased with Himself, or able to be in some manner dismembered, uncoupled from himself, or presented as having multiple personality disorder.
Rather, God did not abandon the son, rather He withdrew support from the Son. Just as a Parent may quickly rush to protect the infant, there are situations in which the parent allows the grown Son to take place. The parent did not abandon, but forsook by withholding protection.
Palms 22 gives the completed statement in which Christ could only lift himself briefly to utter a single phrase. There is no truth to abandonment in that psalm.
Most folks don’t know that in every statement given on the crosses where done as one had to literally lift themselves up so they could exhale.
The body actually inhaled by natural posture on the cross.
Folks did not died from blood loss on the Roman crosses nor by being unable to inhale!
They died from affixation, no longer able to lift up to exhale.
Jesus was forsaken by the Father while atoning for sins, as at that time, he felt and experienced the lost from presence of God all lost sinners will and do.
While upon the Cross, Jesus experienced the same as lost sinners will....He felt that the Father had abandoned Him while the sin bearing atonement was getting accomplished!
Like I said, “No Scripture states that God abandoned His Son.”
Jesus said that he was forsaken by God while completing His action as the Sin Bearer while upon the Cross, and peter in acts stated that God would not abandon Holy One in the Grave, but did temp forsake Him while on the Cross!
Peter in Acts 2 is not supporting that Christ was abandoned on the Cross, but showing that God was WITH Him and even in "Hades."
There is no Scriptures supporting abandonment on the Cross.
Look as Psalm 22:
24For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from him;
But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.
Christ could only speak while He lifted His body to exhale. By presenting Psalm 22, all Jews who stood near were pointed to that which He was going through and the natural events occurring around Him was not God's displeasure and disapproval or even judgment.
But that which the Father embraced and responded by providing the Son shade, and distracting the vicious attack dogs of the heathen workers of iniquity by natural means.
Oh that humankind see the Glory of the relationship of the Father and Son was unbroken at the crucifixion. That the Father rejoiced along with all heaven at the appearance of the slain lamb.
- Jesus in His deity was one with the father, but ot in His humanity, as in his body he did receive and take the poured out wrath of God towards those sins that he now was bearing!
Because you like to post what other hold as valuable:
Why not agree to this?
b. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all mankind as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice, and that the sufficiency of this atoning sacrifice to accomplish the redemption and justification of all who trust in Him is assured by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24,25; 4:25; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Timothy 4:10; Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 2:24; and 2 Peter 2:1).
These people did and literally 100's others in the 21 century do:
Dr. J. Oliver Buswell (President of Wheaton College)
Dr. M.R. DeHaan (founder of Radio Bible Class and Our Daily Bread devotional)
Dr. William McCarrell (pastor of Cicero Bible Church, teacher at Moody Bible Institute)
Dr. William Pettingill (founder of Philadelphia School of the Bible)
Dr. Judson Rudd (President of Bryan College)
Rev. Peter Deyneka, Sr. (founder of Slavic Gospel Association)
Dr. Louis Talbot (President of BIOLA)
Dr. Charles Feinberg (Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary)
Dr. Lance Latham (Founder of AWANA Youth Ministries)
Dr. John Walvoord (President of Dallas Theological Seminary)
Dr. Samuel Sutherland (President of Biola College and Talbot Seminary)
Dr. J. Vernon McGee (pastor of The Church of the Open Door, Los Angeles)
Dr. Merrill Unger (professor at Dallas Theological Seminary)
Dr. Charles Ryrie (professor at Dallas Theological Seminary)
Dr. Robert Gray (pastor of Westchester Bible Church, Westchester, IL)
Dr. Leslie Madison (President of Calvary Bible College)
Dr. Al Platt (President emeritus of CAM International)
Dr. John MacArthur (pastor of Grace Community Church and President of The Master’s College and Seminary)
(list taken from: IFCA Home - History)
Dr. M.R. DeHaan (founder of Radio Bible Class and Our Daily Bread devotional)
Dr. William McCarrell (pastor of Cicero Bible Church, teacher at Moody Bible Institute)
Dr. William Pettingill (founder of Philadelphia School of the Bible)
Dr. Judson Rudd (President of Bryan College)
Rev. Peter Deyneka, Sr. (founder of Slavic Gospel Association)
Dr. Louis Talbot (President of BIOLA)
Dr. Charles Feinberg (Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary)
Dr. Lance Latham (Founder of AWANA Youth Ministries)
Dr. John Walvoord (President of Dallas Theological Seminary)
Dr. Samuel Sutherland (President of Biola College and Talbot Seminary)
Dr. J. Vernon McGee (pastor of The Church of the Open Door, Los Angeles)
Dr. Merrill Unger (professor at Dallas Theological Seminary)
Dr. Charles Ryrie (professor at Dallas Theological Seminary)
Dr. Robert Gray (pastor of Westchester Bible Church, Westchester, IL)
Dr. Leslie Madison (President of Calvary Bible College)
Dr. Al Platt (President emeritus of CAM International)
Dr. John MacArthur (pastor of Grace Community Church and President of The Master’s College and Seminary)
(list taken from: IFCA Home - History)