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Is God Sovereign?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Nov 25, 2017.

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  1. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Yeah, sure. Read thatbrian's posts. He's a Calvinist and he hits several of these definitions right on the head, and in just the last couple of days.
     
  2. MB

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    You have a lack of understanding of the word Arminian. Arminians are 4 point Calvinist as if the only doctrine there can be other than Calvinism is Arminianism. Both are wrong always have been and always will be. Neither can be shown from scripture. All you can do to prove this nonsense is to quote some previous Calvinist
    There are none so blind as those who just will not see.
    MB
     
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    Your problem is two-fold: first, you may have noticed that all men are not drawn to Christ.
    Secondly, John 6:44 sates, No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws them.'

    Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to reconcile John 6:44 and John 12:32. This post will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
    5-4-3-2-1......... Dagnabit! The fuse is wet again!.
     
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  4. TCassidy

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    Nope. I have a very good understanding of Arminianism. I have taught through the writings of Jacobus Arminius as well as having taught through "The Remonstrance."

    Yes, I know. Jacobus Arminius was a Dutch REFORMED minister and theologian.

    No, there is also Amyraldism. And Semi-Pelagians (most General Baptists), and to the radical extreme, (Full) Pelagians.

    Sez you.

    Or perhaps you don't understand the Scriptures in question?

    I don't recall ever quoting a Calvinist. Could you post me doing so with a Thread Title and post #? Thank you. Oh, and just for clarity, I am not a Calvinist. I am a Particular Baptist. :)
     
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    I have. His posts are a delight after all the nonsense I have read on this forum.

    Quote one time where he says his understanding of the word in question is the ONLY understanding, and that all words don't have other ways of understanding them.
     
  6. InTheLight

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    Nothing I could say will satisfy you, so no.
     
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    Where does scripture say that? You can't possibly mean that this scripture is wrong. JN. 12:32


    It isn't myself who has the problem with definitions of words.

    Is a moth dragged to a flame?. No!. The moth comes to it on his won free will because of his fascination or attraction to the flame. No force is applied yet he is still drawn. You see it as a dragging, I see it as an attraction. Just because all moths do not come to the flame doesn't not mean they were not drawn.
    If you would drop your preconceived notions and study it closely you might understand what Scripture is saying. Not to mention you first need to prove that "all men" does not mean "all men" are inclusive .

    Obvious to me is the fact that Calvinist suffer from their own preconceived notions of what scripture actually says. Calvinism is not a doctrine but a philosophy of how to make scripture say what they want it to say in order to match their doctrines. They ignore identifying phrases in a verse and always challenge the meaning of words like "all" and "world" because they obviously do not match what they want to believe. It's pitiful to take God's Word apart the way that they do.
    MB
     
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    Per your instructions in the PM you sent me you were not going to respond to my posts. Further, the idea that one is either a Calvinist or an Arminian is just wrongheaded more importantly it is incorrect and until we get that straight everything else is a non-starter.
     
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    Just reinforcing the reason I no longer respond to your "no-answer answers." :D:D:D
     
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    I thought not.
     
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    Ooooorrrrrrr..........just another episode of your inconsistent tendencies.
     
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    LOL! What you seem to have failed to notice is that my response was mocking your oft repeated "response" of "There is nothing true in this post." LOL!
     
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    Well don't send me any more of your crazy PM's. I don't have time for the drama. Do you ever have anyone close to you tell you that you are struggling to perceive things correctly? Might you be suffering from some form of old age?
     
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    "I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored Him Who lives forever, for His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom endures from generation to generation; all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and He does according to His will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay His hand or say to Him, “What have you done?”" (Daniel 4:34-35)

    "For I know that the Lord is great, And our Lord is above all gods. Whatever the Lord pleases He does In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in all deep places." (Psalm 135:5-6)
     
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    When people (such as in the poster in question) use such uncharitable language they fail to demonstrate the very love for brother that both law demands and gospel obligates.
     
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    Yep. Everybody knows the Great Commission but hardly anyone is aware of the Great Commandment. :(
     
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    Look in the mirror.

    Here is what you said about a poster whose screen name is Saved By Grace:

    Here's what you asked in another thread:
    Previously you said this, about some Assembly of God members:
    Your flippant response to what a poster had said:
    And you built another strawman with this response:
    And the beat goes on...:
    And another strawman:
    So don't lecture me about uncharitable statements.

    BTW, these are the sorts of posts that TCassidy calls "a delight".
     
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    I can always tell when you are losing and you know it. You resort to desperation by saying things such as the above. Of course, the bible considers age a sign of honor. I wonder why you don't?
     
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    There is an old saying, "The truth hurts." Telling the truth is not uncharitable. It would be uncharitable to NOT tell the truth and allow those people to go on in ignorance and error.

    Yes. I delight in the truth. Even when it hurts.

    Ecclesiastes 7:5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
     
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    Is God Sovereign?

    Usually.

    HankD
     
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