Is God Sovereign?

Where does Scripture say that not all men are drawn to Christ? Well you could try John 1:11 or John 3:19 to name but two.

I think you'll find it is.

I wonder if you can show me where I used the word 'drag'? There is no violence in God's drawing. 'I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you' (Jeremiah 31:3). God does not draw people against their wills; He gives them a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:26) so that they freely come to Him. 'Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power' (Psalm 110:3).

So you believe that every single person is drawn to Christ. May I suggest that you do some door to door evangelism and let me know how it goes?

I'm not quite sure how to parse this sentence, but if you want examples of where 'all men' does not mean 'every single person' may I refer you to thatbrian's post #12? He gives 17 examples of just that.

Now then: how shall we reconcile John 6:44 with John 12:32? It's very simple. The Jews believed that only Jews could be saved. The context of John 12:32 is the Greeks coming to Philip (the apostle with the Greek name) and asking to see the Lord Jesus. His answer is that after His crucifixion He will draw 'all men'-- Gentiles as well as Jews-- to Himself. He does not mean every single person, but all kinds of people. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.'

And I love you too.

 

Uh, it wouldn't help - ask my wife

HankD

 

Well I mean you PM me a nasty PM talking about staying away from my posts, then you completely do the opposite. Seems a bit schizophrenic.

 

How do you know that?

See, I haven't been around for eternity, so I can't say for sure.

I'll try to find a verse...

Race ya!

HankD

 

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

That'll work (for me anyway).

HankD

 

right but it was so long ago I have trouble remembering Abe.

HankD

 

Nope didn't find anything in those verses that relate to being Drawn. In Jn 3:19 the Jews had already been Drawn and yet they rejected christ. proving that Man can and does resist God's Grace.

No where in scripture does it ever say God doesn't draw all men. Not to mention you cannot claim for your self the promises given to the Jews.

How can you quote passages given to the Jews and apply them to your self? Their drawing was corporate not individual. Not everything in scripture applies to Gentiles. Your not Jewish are you?
Not to mention that we are talking about the drawing of Christ who hadn't appeared in scripture at the time.

I have replied to that brian's post. You should read it.

How is it you know Christ didn't mean everyone when He said all? There is a difference between scripture and Calvinism. They clash!
No where in scripture can you ever show that all men are not drawn. If you could have you would have.
MB

 

Calvinist = Particular Baptist.

You remind me of Ergun Caner's infamously silly line:

"'I'm not a Calvinist, I'm a Baptist!"

 

I think you'll find It did.

 

Does God want you to sin right now?

So everyone on this thread must be sinless!

Unless, you think God is NOT Sovereign!

 

Hank... There is only one thing I have to say... "DUCK"... Brother Glen

 

QUACK, QUACK!!

HankD

 

At the Judgment God is going to put every individual, small and great, in Hell who went against His will in refusing to believe on His Son. God is not "sovereign" : He is almighty.

 

He's both.

 

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

46:12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness:

46:13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

No need to give you my opinion scripture says it all... Brother Glen