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Leftists Hate God

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  1. AwesomeMachine

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    The big difference between the left and right is that those on the left hate God, but those on the right are pretty happy with the way God does things.

    Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "A man will love his country to the same degree he loves his almighty creator."

    Social-welfare programs demonstrate hatred of God. If people pay taxes to fund social-welfare programs, it is money given to the poor out of fear of imprisonment. Charity, or love for God, requires a free-will gift from the heart. Therefore, all social-welfare programs rob God of the love of His people!

    Dems like abortion, because it proportionally kills more--as they call them--low-bred and racial inferiors. The dems never migrated from their positions on slavery. They just put on a new disguise! They're still subscribing to an ideology straight from the mind of Satan!

    Women's rights is rooted in a false promise of liberation from sensual guilt. Men suffer no guilt for sensual pleasure, but women do. This guilt is expiated when the man gives to the woman his intimate gift of masculine love and forgiveness.

    Could there be a greater sign of God's forgiveness to the woman than new life in the image of married lovers and in the image of God? But feminism promotes the lie that equality with the man will bring equality in freedom from sensual guilt to the woman.

    So, we begin to get a bit of an idea what the road to hell looks like!
     
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    Are you suggesting that leftist are not saved but being saved requires you to be a Republican? If so, what about those with no party affiliation?
     
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    In general, I agree with you. Leftists hate God. Look at the most Left-leaning countries - they are there are very few Christians in their populations. Look at the states which are most Leftist - there are very few Christians in their populations, as well.

    Having said that, there are many (foolish and/or ignorant, IMO) Christians who take up the Left's cause and are deceived because they fall for the "social justice", "equality", and "diversity" propaganda. They are well-meaning, but many are just young and naive, so I give them some allowance due to their lack of experience in these matters, so I would not come down as hard as you do on all Leftists, but in general, your assessment is correct.
     
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    Do you know how to spell "mission field" either foreign or domestic?
     
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    That’s funny... do you, NA forget it!
     
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    I didn't say they don't need the gospel, and I also am not saying that Conservatives don't either. Being correct in your politics can't atone for sins.
     
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    The OP presents a weird idea that begins with ill-defined terms.
    Politically "Left" is not the opposite of "Right" (as "correct") but the opposite of "Capitalist." And "Right" is not the opposite of "Wrong."

    Or the opposite - generally those on the right are the rich & have no need of God while the poor have good reason to pray.

    Was he a Christian? A Christian's country is spiritual, with no borders & no ethnicity. How do the rich show their love of country & Creator?

    Social welfare programmes are a concern for the poor & disadvantaged, sick & elderly. Ideally they follow the example of the church on Acts 2.
    44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

    State welfare involves the action by "Caesar" to collect taxes for all state purposes, including welfare. The use of the funds raised from income does not deprive those taxed of self-sufficiency nor does it prevent charitable giving. And the state returns paid taxes to charities.

    You whole argument is a rejection of Scripture - the general principle where God, addressing Israel says:
    Micah: 6:8 He has shown you, O man, what is good;
    And what does the Lord require of you
    But to do justly,
    To love mercy,
    And to walk humbly with your God?

    And specific to believers of many nationalities:
    1 Peter 2:13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
     
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    Every point you make is flawed.

    "generally those on the right are the rich" This is incorrect and propaganda.

    "A Christian's country is spiritual" A Christian has dual citizenship. We have a real, physical existence, and live within a certain society in which we ought to be active in politically if we can.

    "Social welfare programmes are a concern for the poor & disadvantaged" Conservatives are concerned for the poor, which is why Conservatives give more of their own money to the poor than Progressive Liberals do. However, handing able-bodied people checks is not helpful nor loving. It's a cruel form of slavery.

    "You whole argument is a rejection of Scripture - the general principle where God, addressing Israel says:"
    Micah: 6:8 He has shown you, O man, what is good;
    And what does the Lord require of you
    But to do justly,
    To love mercy,
    And to walk humbly with your God?
    Is it just to take from one hard-working man and give to a man who refuses to work?

    Is it merciful to keep people dependant on handouts for multiple generations?
     
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    Leftist can be Christians because sinners can be Christians. Any Christian can commit any sin, including the sin of supporting abortion, globalism, etc. But I do have my doubts about most professing Christians that are also leftists. I can see new converts struggling with these things early on. It's more difficult to explain leftists that claim to have walked with the Lord many years.

    Heb. 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

    2Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.​
     
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    While true that the Left, as a group, hates God, in all fairness, all the unregenerate hate God, regardless of whether they're Left or Right.
     
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    This kind of lie is a result of the unholy alliance between "Evangelical Christians" and the republican Party and demonstrates that your allegiance is not with the Lord but with the republican party. May God have mercy on your everlasting soul.
     
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    The so-called "Evangelical Right" is filled with hypocrites. Those are the only people that jesus reallt hated.
     
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    Your post is filled with hatred.
     
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    OK, I'll have to elaborate a bit. Government giving to the poor is devoid of eternal value. Government does not love. It is a thing. It can't have pity. People can love. When a person gives to the poor, it is of eternal value, because it is being done for love of God. God would rather have the love of His people than to preserve the temporal lives of the poor!

    When the church does charitable work, it comes with the love of God. And the recipients are compelled to have gratitude. The poor are taught Christian principles, which lift them out of poverty. The love of the givers also enables the poverty-stricken to have hope.

    Poverty is God's way of teaching sinners how to behave! To lift people from poverty without them learning God's intended lesson, condemns them to hell! That is of Satan!

    Now, what is a hypocrite. It's an actor. It is someone who acts with concealed motivations. A hypocrite is not a hypocrite simply because he speaks out against sin but commits sin himself. A hypocrite as Jesus referred to it is someone who acts holy but inside has no reverence for God, being only concerned with themselves, and placing burdens on others.

    Right and left have long symbolized good and evil. Leonardo da Vinci required a dispensation from the Bishop to be admitted into art school, because he painted using the hand of the devil, his left hand. So, I think it is fair to assume the right is the side of good, and the left is the side of evil. Latin, sinestre, from which the English sinister is derived, means "left".

    Rich people are not evil simply because they're rich. The Bible says, "God decides who will be rich and who will be poor." In fact, the right is content to have God decide everything, and to have government protect the rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness for all people equally.

    But part of that is: the fruits of a man's labor shall be called "his own". If a person earns money, he has the right to do with it as he pleases, save a small sum for taxes. God never intended a tax burden like we have today! It's obscene in God's eyes, because it is unjust!

    The government has taken the place of God to many people, where government policy has become the new definition of right and wrong. The people have adopted the minimum legal requirement as the ideal standard of conduct. The new morality is defined after the fact by whether or not you get caught! And to those who observe statutory law as the absolute moral standard shall come eternal damnation, because the government does not offer forgiveness of sin.

    Jesus said, "Give to the poor, and to widows and orphans." He did not say, use your vote to put into political office those who would enact regulations to tax the people and give the money to the poor.

    All I can say is, if a person subscribes to a leftist ideology, they do not know God, because to know God is to know truth. What was truth is truth now, and it always will be truth! There is one truth! Everything else is wrong!

    Therefore, government policy and court findings contrary to Roman Catholic doctrine are also wrong! It's no secret that all Christians believe 99.99999% of Roman Catholic doctrine. It's a useful resource to determine exactly what truth is. Part of Roman Catholic doctrine is the Bible. The remainder is based on the Bible.

    I'm not Catholic, but I have read much Catholic doctrine, and I've learned a lot. All of the ideas we take for granted are straight out of Catholic doctrine: the free-market economy, the rational practice of medicine, universities, giving to the poor, hospitals, the seven-note musical scale, the holy Bible, trials based on rational, physical evidence and decided by juries, scientific method (theories based purely on experimental evidence).

    Now, after the Church has built Western civilization, why do dems turn against the important parts of Catholic teaching. The leftist political ideology is anti-Christian; it is of the devil! The reason people subscribe to it is because, if you're not of God, you're of the devil.

    Those who belong to Satan may appear normal--not possessed or anything--but they do not know God. Therefore, they do not truly know salvation. If they did, they would know the truth. Satan is perfectly happy to have people blindly stumble into hell, simply out of ignorance rather than wickedness.

    But every vote for a pro-choice political candidate is a serious sin that can bring death. Every vote for a candidate who favors taxation as a remedy to poverty is a serious sin in God's eyes, because sin created poverty, and only God can fix it! It isn't the job of government to legalize murder, redefine justice, plunder one group to support another, invent rights that really are not rights, stigmatize the very race that single-handedly brought industrialized civilization to the world, decide who deserves what, redistribute wealth, etc.

    It is the job of government to protect the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, equally, for all. That means each man is free to choose the life that seems best for himself, based on his resources, abilities, drive, virtue, desires, etc.

    That does not mean; everyone should have exactly the same as everyone else. People are rewarded for righteous decisions, righteous living, practicing Christianity, and fleeing from evil. It isn't the job of government to subsidize sin. In every instance of a family that has remained in poverty for two generations of more, sin is the determining factor.

    Fornication is the number-one cause of poverty. If girls stop fornicating, they will not end up in poverty. The Church forbids fornication exactly because it causes poverty. Following in close second place is drunkenness and drug abuse. The Bible also warns against that, because it causes poverty and death!

    Medical care is not a right, because true rights do not require external funding. In the American system, hospitals are legally required to provide humanitarian emergency medical care until the patient is stable enough to be discharged, regardless of whether or not the person has insurance.

    Routine medical care is for those who can afford it, or those who work and receive insurance. The idea that everyone receive the same level of medical care is just a sliver of communism! It is God who is the healer. If the poor cannot afford routine medical care, there are other remedies available over the counter, at a much lower cost. And God will heal those who cannot afford medical care. Universal health insurance robs God of the prayers of His people! This is from the mind of Satan!

    And if a family loses their home over medical bills, they were stupid. I used to work for a team of heart surgeons when I was in high school. Every week at least one of them did at least one charity case, free! The Bible says, ask and you shall receive. I knew a man who had a $50,000 operation totally forgiven by the hospital. He simply asked.

    The Church should be in charge of social welfare. If the government eliminated social-welfare programs, taxes would drop, and the people would give more to the church. The poor would learn sound Christian teaching, and that would lift them out of poverty. To have government care for the poor is straight from the mind of Satan, because it's a government subsidy on sin!

    So, I would say, if to know God is to know truth, leftists do not know God.
     
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    Leftists aren't interested in truth. They aren't even seeking truth. They are seeking an equal outcome. They are seeking cosmic "equality". They are seeking a world in which there are no distinctions, and play God in trying to arrive at such a place. In doing so, as you rightly point out, they remove the consequences which God has designed to teach men how to live and replace them with rewards. The Left rewards sin. Get pregnant out of wedlock and get a free apartment, for instance. The Left is trying to bring about a world in which there are no consequences for sin. In doing so, they keep sinners from seeking the salvation of Christ because they remove the need for it.
     
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    If the only way to help the great number of needy people in America is to change government policies because churches and individuals cannot afford to do so that does have eternal value. The same argument goes for medical care. Supporting candidates who are against helping the poor is exactly the same as not doing it yourself. Supporting weapons and war through supporting candidates who increase the military budget and turn their back on the large number of senseless murders in our country is also not something a true Christian should do. Jesus said love your neighbor and even your enemy.

    You go on to say: "Poverty is God's way of teaching sinners how to behave! To lift people from poverty without them learning God's intended lesson, condemns them to hell! That is of Satan!

    Poverty is God's way of teaching sinners how to behave! To lift people from poverty without them learning God's intended lesson, condemns them to hell! That is of Satan!"

    That is absolutely unBiblical and wrong. Jesus emphasized this time and time again. Firast, He said the last shall be first and the first last. In Luke 6 He said:
    [Luk 6:20, 24 KJV] 20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed [be ye] poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. ... 24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

    The story of the rich young ruler is another example:
    [Mar 10:23, 25 KJV] 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! ... 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    The story of Lazarus and the rich man is another:

    [Luk 16:19-26 KJV] 19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

    You seem to accept the "Prosperity Gospel" as preached by Joel Osteen and others. This is a false gospel and leads straight to damnation.
     
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    Jesus hated hypocrites.
     
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    FTW, why are you admonishing? Just simply, let him go.
     
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    You sound like you don’t enjoy sin...what are you some type of Calvinist?!?
     
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    Have you ever read Dante's Purgatorio?

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