Evidently the KJV translators did not use the proper punctuation!
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One more reason why I can't be Southern Baptist
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Evidently the KJV translators did not use the proper punctuation!
And they didn't teach penal substitution, either. That's why it was unknown to the early church.
Thanks, JonC; I appreciate your perspective. I'm afraid I don't agree with Wright's penal substitution view, either.
You are parroting lies. Please study the subject for yourself.
Here's a helpful paper for you: https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj20i.pdf
The PST is right there in the Bible, and it became most developed by the reformers, but came from the scriptures!
Welcome. I also don't hold to Wright's view, but just wanted to show how diverse PSA can be.
Wright is not reformed, nor does he hold to what has been seen as Pst theology!
He doesn't hold PSA as you do. But no one did until recently.
Guess Luther and Calvin were just born yesterday!
In the scope of history, yes. And even Luther did not go so far as you and Wright.
Wright does not hold to it at all, as defined by Reformed!
Neither did Luther (rather than assuming our punishment to appease God's wrath Christ "outweighed the sin and wrath against us" by his merit). Neither did Justin Martyr...by a long shot (Christ died as the representative of the human race). But you count them as holding your view.
If Justin Martyr held your view of the atonement then N.T. Wright holds your view. So does Karl Barth.
I know Wright does not, as he denies that God poured divine wrath upon Jesus, as he stated that makes God abusing Jesus.
Martyr's view was not that God poured out divine wrath upon Jesus. You say he represents your view as well.
Again.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE PAUL SAYS GOD CURSED JESUS.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE DEUT. SAYS GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE.
POST THE VERSE AND PUT IN BOLD WHERE ISAIAH SAYS JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD
If God did not smite Jesus, who did?
Which verse are you talking about....someone smiting Jesus? Jesus lay down His own life and became a curse for us. The Roman soldiers struck Jesus....is this what you mean?
No, who put Jesus upon the Cross, and wounded/bruised Him, who made Him a curse for us?
The Jews gave him over to the Romans who beat him and later put him on a cross. Jesus laid down his own life. He became a curse for us.
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