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Atonement

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agedman

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Can the unclean make the unclean, clean?

If God cursed the Son, then the Son became unclean in the sight of God.

Therefore, as unclean Christ had nor has any ability to pronounce one cleansed as John states “cleansed from all...”
 

agedman

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God was pouring out His divine wrath for our sins upon Christ, noit due to anything Jesus had did, or to get back at Him, but due to Jesus accepting being the very Lamb of God, and our sin bearer!
There is zero support for this found in Scriptures or certainly by now somewhere in the multiple threads it would have been discovered.

Christ bore our sins, became sin, but there was no “wrath” poured out in that action by God.

Did God pour His wrath out on the offerings of atonement in the OT?
 

Yeshua1

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My comment was not an insult, and I am not certain how you took it that way. I was speaking of the nature of "cursed is anyone who hangs upon a tree" as many Christians have died in a manner similar to Christ. It was meant as a legitimate observation.

But your reply went far beyond what I would consider a mild insult. No, I am not interested in your offer.
NO christian has ever died in the same way Jesus did, as he was the sin bearer!
 

Yeshua1

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Can the unclean make the unclean, clean?

If God cursed the Son, then the Son became unclean in the sight of God.

Therefore, as unclean Christ had nor has any ability to pronounce one cleansed as John states “cleansed from all...”
He was NEVER unclean in and of Himself, but was treated as if he was, due to Him accepting to bear the wrath of God towards sinners!
 

agedman

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He was NEVER unclean in and of Himself, but was treated as if he was, due to Him accepting to bear the wrath of God towards sinners!
If He was never “unclean in and of Himself” then there was no purpose in God pouring wrath on Him

This is the very reason why there was never wrath poured out on the OT atonement sacrifice.

The sacrifice was never “unclean.” Therefore, there was nonWrath of God.
 

JonC

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No, rather that no one else in history suffered in the exact same way he did!
No. You said no one died as he died. But even in regards to suffering you are wrong. The difference isn't the suffering but the One who suffered.

And where is that verse in Deut. that says God cursed his holy one? Where is the verse in Isaiah that proves Jesus stricken by God? Where is the verse where Paul says God cursed Jesus?
 

Yeshua1

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No. You said no one died as he died. But even in regards to suffering you are wrong. The difference isn't the suffering but the One who suffered.
Has any one else ever been the Savior bearing the sins for His people?
 

JonC

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And by doing that, he endured and accepted the wrath of God due to us for those sins!
Scripture please.

WHERE DID PAUL SAY GOD CURSED JESUS?

WHERE DID ISAIAH SAY JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD?

WHERE DUES DEUT. SAY GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE?

You keep saying it does, but where????????
 

Yeshua1

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Scripture please.

WHERE DID PAUL SAY GOD CURSED JESUS?

WHERE DID ISAIAH SAY JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD?

WHERE DUES DEUT. SAY GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE?

You keep saying it does, but where????????
he who know no sins became sin for us, and bore our sins upon the cross.
 

JonC

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he who know no sins became sin for us, and bore our sins upon the cross.

Back up what you claimed. Provide the passages you claim exist.

WHERE DID PAUL SAY GOD CURSED JESUS?

WHERE DID ISAIAH SAY JESUS WAS STRICKEN BY GOD?

WHERE DUES DEUT. SAY GOD CURSED HIS HOLY ONE?

You keep saying it does, but where????????
 
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