Atonement

I would not say that last part exactly that way. But I get your point.

 

That would probably be about the best anybody could come up with. Because nowhere in scripture does it say that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins.

PSA was invented by the Magisterial Reformers who were influenced by Anselm's Satisfaction view. All influenced by a legalist view of God.

 

I believe this article from an Orthodox website will be helpful for what we bare discussing here:

Saint Athanasius and the ‘Penal Substitutionary’ Atonement Doctrine | Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese

 

Not at all. As I have said over and over again, the Lord Jesus never ceased to be the beloved Son. The fact that He took on the penalty of our sin and the curse of it shows how much God loves us. The curse was not vengeful, but judicial. Christ was made sin for us' and suffered the due penalty of it. A human judge is not vengeful when he condemns a criminal to prison or (in some countries) to death; he is giving the just sentence of the law.

Yes. We (sinners are doomed to destruction and under divine judgement, but in His mercy and amazing grace, Christ faced our doom and suffered the judgement of God against sin. But of course, God raised Him up, 'having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible for death to hold Him' (Acts 2:24), not only because of who He is, but also because of God's promise through David (Psalm 16:8-11).

 

Unfortunately, many of those who deny PSA cannot read Scripture but through their own presuppositions. Their blindness is nothing short of biblical illiteracy.

 

Yes, indeed, 'We' (not 'they') reckoned Him to be stricken by God and afflicted. Of course that's right, as Isaiah makes clear in v.!0, but what the Jews did not realise is that He was suffering not for His own sins but for ours. What 'we' don't understand until we come fully to comprehend the cross and its purposes is that 'He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him.'

If I wrote that about you, you would edit it out and mark it 'insult deleted.'
Well, we've now reached the third stage of incompetence. First there is error, then bluster and thirdly insult. The fourth stage is violence so perhaps it's as well you don't know where I live.

 

Oh come on Steve

 

You know how to dish out the insults and the false allegations, but you don't like it when someone hits back.
I wrote to you privately assuring you that I would end all insults if you would do likewise. That offer still stands. Will you take it up or not?

 

If (as I more often do) one becomes exuberant in response, and know it is, why wait on the other to dial it back?

I am not asking out of condemnation, for I also am more often at fault, but when I have been made aware, or come to self awareness, I must pause and reflect, and be less insulting in my response.

There is not a problem with pointing out error. Nor (imo) is there a problem with proclaiming the display in regards to the intent as it regards to intransigent holding of error.

If you wrote privately, then keep it private.

Or, allow that other poster who is insulting to continue knowing that if the focus is upon the principles of Scriptures, insults are but reactionary to not desiring to adjust to what another considers correct.

I am reminded of Desmond Doss, who endured great insults, yet was awarded because of his display of character. Desmond Doss - Wikipedia

 

The Father did, as it was His will and purpose to have Jesus suffer as the sin bearer on behalf of His own people!

 

Only the Pst theology gives the real and full glory to the Trinity for our salvation!

 

OK then; who made Him a curse? Was it the Jews? The Romans? Satan? The Lord Jesus Himself? No! It was God who made Him to be accursed for us. He made Him to be sin for us and He made Him to be a curse for us..

Correct.

They were obviously wrong to hang Him on the cross, but their assessment of Him on the cross was spot on. 'It pleased the LORD to bruise [or 'crush'] Him; He has put Him to grief.' Where they erred was in supposing that He was stricken by God for His own sin.

Agreed, save that you cannot say who made Him a curse.

Well then, I am in good company. Apart from Justin Martyr and Luther, I join with Calvin, John Owen, George Whitefield, Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, John MacArthur, John Piper et al. I leave to you Steve Chalke and N.T. Wright (who wrote the foreword to Chalke's book, The Lost Message of Jesus).

Clearly answered several times as I have shown.

If you mean by that that God cursed Christ as Shimei cursed David in 2 Samuel 15:5ff then you are just being silly. What I believe is what I have stated time and time again, that 'God gave Himself, in the person of Jesus Christ to suffer instead of us the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for sin.' The curse is a judicial one, a curse upon sinners (Deuteronomy 27:26), and is our curse because we cannot keep God's righteous laws, but God placed it upon Christ's sinless shoulders so that we might receive blessing.

I have decided not to trade insults with you in future under any circumstances. God bless you, brother; have a great day.

 

God was pouring out His divine wrath for our sins upon Christ, noit due to anything Jesus had did, or to get back at Him, but due to Jesus accepting being the very Lamb of God, and our sin bearer!

 

Scripture?

Is there an actual Scripture either symbolically or literally that God cursed Himself?

For if it is true that Christ is God in the flesh, then to have you declare God cursed Christ, then God cursed Himself.

 

This is a huge assumption and rather unsupportable.

 

I would rather belong to that group that agrees with us than those who agree with those against Pst.